Equally Obnoxious Hockey Trash Talk Thread, eh?

[jtkratzer]

Whoa, you mean Boston lost a game? Does that mean that New York is better now, considering they're 3 points up with only 1 more games played?

It means that Boston is in a tougher division than the Rangers. Obviously the Senators, Sabres, Leafs, and Habs are better teams than the Flyers, Penguins, Devils, and Islanders the Rangers have to play. Obviously the Rangers feed on the bottom of the East in their weak, pathetic Atlantic division. So, obviously, clearly, Boston is the better team, even sitting lower in the standings.

They're just so balanced, and the other team should have 6 skaters, just like the cheating Canucks did today, so they have a chance to win and make things entertaining for the fans.

Ottawa is the only team that will be in the hunt after Washington plays the two games they're behind the Leafs and even that's a shocker that Ottawa is doing as well as they are. To compare, 4 of the 5 Atlantic teams are in the top 8. Boston is just so good, it's unreal, they're a dynasty in the 1.5 seasons they've been together!!! Give them the Cup right now and get it over with.

 

[arturo7]

True, but again, without the players, you don't have a league or a product..

Without the union, you still have the players.

 

[StittsvilleJames]

It means that Boston is in a tougher division than the Rangers. Obviously the Senators, Sabres, Leafs, and Habs are better teams than the Flyers, Penguins, Devils, and Islanders the Rangers have to play. Obviously the Rangers feed on the bottom of the East in their weak, pathetic Atlantic division. So, obviously, clearly, Boston is the better team, even sitting lower in the standings.

They're just so balanced, and the other team should have 6 skaters, just like the cheating Canucks did today, so they have a chance to win and make things entertaining for the fans.

Ottawa is the only team that will be in the hunt after Washington plays the two games they're behind the Leafs and even that's a shocker that Ottawa is doing as well as they are. To compare, 4 of the 5 Atlantic teams are in the top 8. Boston is just so good, it's unreal, they're a dynasty in the 1.5 seasons they've been together!!! Give them the Cup right now and get it over with.

I lol'ed.

Congratulations on this post from The Canada.

 

[jtkratzer]

Without the union, you still have the players.

And if the league decides to act like it owns the players and the players leave and play elsewhere, you no longer have the league. You don't have to have a union to have the players, but you have to have the players to have a league. When the league and owners realize the game revolves around the fans paying to watch the PLAYERS, they'll get it.

I'm all for a fair and reasonable agreement where the owners make their money by taking the risk by investing into the players' salaries, the building, and all the other expenses that hopefully yield a profit, but the players have to understand that ticket prices are affected by their salaries and they're paid regardless of whether or not the owner turns a profit. It's not all about the players, and that's why there are the two sides of the deal. The union is necessary to look out for the players' side of the game. It's not a sweat shop, but what if the owners and league wanted to go to a 162 game season like baseball to have double the home games and double the ticket sales?

I lol'ed.

Congratulations on this post from The Canada.

By the way, it's a lower case "t" on the in the Canada. Canada doesn't rate a capitalized t.

 

[Cape Brewing]

Whoa, you mean Boston lost a game? Does that mean that New York is better now, considering they're 3 points up with only 1 more games played?

I think it means New York likes to gives ******** about nine minutes after last call for cab fare.


I might be confused but I am pretty confident I'm right.

 

[arturo7]

And if the league decides to act like it owns the players and the players leave and play elsewhere, you no longer have the league. You don't have to have a union to have the players, but you have to have the players to have a league.

circular reasoning, my friend

 

[Bulls Beers]

It means that Boston is in a tougher division than the Rangers. Obviously the Senators, Sabres, Leafs, and Habs are better teams than the Flyers, Penguins, Devils, and Islanders the Rangers have to play. Obviously the Rangers feed on the bottom of the East in their weak, pathetic Atlantic division. So, obviously, clearly, Boston is the better team, even sitting lower in the standings.

They're just so balanced, and the other team should have 6 skaters, just like the cheating Canucks did today, so they have a chance to win and make things entertaining for the fans.

Ottawa is the only team that will be in the hunt after Washington plays the two games they're behind the Leafs and even that's a shocker that Ottawa is doing as well as they are. To compare, 4 of the 5 Atlantic teams are in the top 8. Boston is just so good, it's unreal, they're a dynasty in the 1.5 seasons they've been together!!! Give them the Cup right now and get it over with.

Kicked the Flyers ass, the last time we played them...

 

[schmoe]

Penalty shot already. Wow.

 

[jtkratzer]

And the Flyers will always have the 3-0 comeback in a playoff series and Game 7 of the same series.

 

[jtkratzer]

circular reasoning, my friend

How so? It's not a chicken and the egg argument.

 

[punkrockdave]

Florida player rep.
Pittsburgh player rep.

Where's the opinion of the Dallas player rep? I think I'll put about a gazillion dollars on him wanting change.

How about the Columbus player rep, Detroit player rep, and Nashville Player reps? LA? San Jose?

Teams in the East (mine included) are coddled in respect to travel. And not just travel, but time zones.

If I'm living and playing in Dallas, and playing half my games with a 2-hour time zone change, I'm not happy. If I was a fan of Detroit, I wouldn't want so many games starting at 10:00 or 10:30! It's absolutely ludicrous.

You are OK with the millionaire players having a union? Unions exist(ed) to protect workers from unreasonable and dangerous working conditions and unfair pay. Making 850,000 dollars a year to play 5 minutes a game, and being asked to fly around the country and spend 40% of your time on the road is not unreasonable working conditions.

We aren't talking about dangerous conditions in the coal mines with pennies an hour here. Unions as a whole are outmoded 19th century relics, unions for millionaires are ridiculous.

Donald Fehr almost killed baseball, now he's going to kill the NHL...

Man, good points. San Jose only plays 2 teams in their division in the same time zone.

 

[arturo7]

How so? It's not a chicken and the egg argument.

You're basically saying that without the union there would be no premier players in the NHL. This is obviously false.

 

[jtkratzer]

You're basically saying that without the union there would be no premier players in the NHL. This is obviously false.

That's not at all what I said. Without the players, there would not be an NHL. That statement is not the same as saying the NHL's existence as a league is dependent upon the existence of a players' union.

 

[arturo7]

That's not at all what I said. Without the players, there would not be an NHL. That statement is not the same as saying the NHL's existence as a league is dependent upon the existence of a players' union.

Are you serious or just looking for an argument? I gotta believe it's the latter...

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

let's go hawks!!! 4 mins in and they're up 1 over the wings!!!

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

let's make it 2-zip hawks!! they really needed a start like this tonight! :rockin:

 

[jtkratzer]

Are you serious or just looking for an argument? I gotta believe it's the latter...

I'm saying the players can physically play the game without the existence of a union. The league cannot exist as a sport without the players on the ice. It doesn't matter. My point is this - as long as the owners/league management feel they can change the game without seeking the input, approval from, or even provide details of those changes to the players, there needs to be a players' union.


On a completely different note - Bryzgalov continues to be up and down, consistently inconsistent.

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

soft f'n goal after soft f'n goal. seems to be the pattern cory crawford has fallen into this year. very frustrating, the hawks need these 2 points and not by giving detroit a point in return.

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

like i said, somebody has to do something about this goaltending fiasco. crawford's head just isn't in the game, neither is his heart. very sad indeed.

 

[StittsvilleJames]

I guess Danny "Killer" Briere took the day off and let Rinaldo do his fighting for him (and lost to my boy Konopka, I have to add...)
3 out of 4 points, not bad for a home and home!

Go Sens!! Keep on keepin on!

u mad kratzer? LOL

 

[arturo7]

there needs to be a players' union.

Nobody with a salary with of seven digits needs a union.

 

[jtkratzer]

Nobody with a salary with of seven digits needs a union.

We'll agree to disagree. It's obvious you've never worked on a contract before where the employer thinks he has the ability to change/negate the terms of your contract without at least consulting you or seeking permission for something that's mutually agreeable.

The players are not property or pawns in a chess game. It's not fantasy hockey, they're real people with their own lives. The income level is irrelevant.

And that's the sole basis of your argument - they make millions to play a game, they don't need a union, we can do with them as we wish. It's owners who have the attitude/mentality you do that justify the need for a union.

 

[paulster2626]

Nobody with a salary with of seven digits needs a union.

If hockey makes x amount of money per year, isn't it fair to pay the people actually playing the game a significant portion of this money?

 

[arturo7]

If hockey makes x amount of money per year, isn't it fair to pay the people actually playing the game a significant portion of this money?

See earlier post. By this logic, hotel maids would be millionaires.

 

[Cape Brewing]

There have been about 100 threads on this whole topic of unions.

My two cents... I don't think there is some law that forces pro athletes to be pro athletes. If they don't like the pay or working conditions, they should feel free to go and try any of 1,000 other jobs. I also don't think there is some magic law somewhere that says things have to be "fair".... 'cause if there was, Alex Rodriguez wouldn't make more than all of the teachers within a 100 mile radius of my house combined. Lastly... I never understand the whole "the players deserve XYZ". Why?? And why doesn't that translate into every other job on the planet? How come wait staff and cooks don't "deserve" a "significant portion of the money" from a restaurant? How come the folks who stock the shelves and run the cash registers don't "deserve" a "significant portion of hte money" from a grocery store??

 

[Homercidal]

I don't believe there are many professional players who have invested money in the business that is their team. On the other hand, owners have all spent money on not only the building, etc., but on the players themselves.

Most players make an outrageous amount compared to the average person. Because they are the best (or should be) and because people will continue to pay $$$$$ to watch them play.

There is no problem with the system that a good lockout or strike won't cure. I don't recall giving too squirts about the NBA lockout and nobody else I knew did either. Somehow it worked out.

I'm tired of both sides claiming some kind of injustice whenever there is a disagreement. Both sides can suck it.

 

[paulster2626]

There is no problem with the system that a good lockout or strike won't cure. I don't recall giving too squirts about the NBA lockout and nobody else I knew did either. Somehow it worked out.

I'm tired of both sides claiming some kind of injustice whenever there is a disagreement. Both sides can suck it.

You don't remember the lockout??? Both times, it sucked ass. You live in a cold climate - during hockey season there is literally nothing to do on Saturday nights other than watch hockey. It's dark, cold, and lonely out there!

But yes, when it comes to silly things like this, both sides can suck it.

 

[Cape Brewing]

See? That's TWO things we can all agree on...

1) both sides can suck it

and

2) the Bruins are awesome

... and now the universe is back in order.

 

[Homercidal]

You don't remember the lockout??? Both times, it sucked ass. You live in a cold climate - during hockey season there is literally nothing to do on Saturday nights other than watch hockey. It's dark, cold, and lonely out there!

But yes, when it comes to silly things like this, both sides can suck it.

I remember one of them sucked. Since then I discovered Ferris State Bulldog Hockey, and Grand Rapids Griffins hockey. Plus there is a rink or two in Big Rapids that I can go and skate on myself with the kids...

The only sport I'd not wish a lockout/strike on is the NHL.

I enjoy watching sports, but I'll find something else to do rather than watch millionaires argue about who has it worse. Ice fishing, snowmobiling, video games, netflix, brewing, masturbation... Not necessarily in order of preference.

 

[Homercidal]

See? That's TWO things we can all agree on...

1) both sides can suck it

and

2) the Bruins lost to Vancouver

... and now the universe is back in order.

Yep!