Equally Obnoxious Hockey Trash Talk Thread, eh?
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Goofynewfie
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Yep, it was me. I didnt think he played well enough at both ends to be paid $8 mill.
Hes off to a good start but the first 40 games arent the problem. For some reason it seems the leafs are always a completely different team in the last half of the season. Top 10 team first half, bottom 10 second half. last season there was no second half, so no chance for the collapse
paulster2626
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This is so wrong, and I'm getting sick of hearing it. Just because something is repeated by people who are too lazy to check information doesn't make it true.
First of all: When Toronto was good (yes you're gonna have to think WAY back to the early 2000's) they would start out pretty ****ty. Like .500-ish. Then, around Dec-Jan-Feb they'd turn on the jets and dominate.
Then after the lockout, when Toronto was ****ty, which is what most of you probably recall the easiest, they'd actually start out okay. Then something would happen around December and the bottom would fall out. End of the season? Back to strinign together W's when it no longer mattered.
But yes, there was that ONE season 2 years ago where they were awesome until losing a million games in February and March.
Second of all: This is actually a MUCH different team than even 2 years ago, when the Leafs 2nd-most-famous collapse happened.
GONE:
Grabovski
MacArthur
Connolly
Crabb
Schenn
Lombardi
Frattin
Steckel
Komisarek
Brown
Armstrong
Gustavsson
Scrivens
...and most importantly: Ron Wilson
ADDED:
JVR
Bolland
Raymond
Reilly
Ranger
Fraser
McLaren
Bernier
McClement
Clarkson
...and Randy Carlyle, plus the youngsters who've been filling in from the minors this season.
That's some serious upgrades over some pretty significant crap that's been shipped out. More importantly, they've also been able to keep the players they want to keep. Believe it or not MLSE has had a plan for the past 6 years and for once, they seem to know what they're doing.
Third of all:
Phil Kessel is the ****ing man. For the past 5 years we've seen him grow as a player, and now he truly does look like a leader on this team. Since Carlyle arrived, his urgency to backcheck was flicked on like a switch. Something tells me Ron Wilson's pond hockey system didn't give two ****s about Kessel playing at "both ends of the ice". Bottom line is he's there to score goals anyway, and that's what he does. SOmething happened to him in that playoff series against Boston, and it was good.
Lastly:
Edmonton is ****ing garbage. A stinking, steaming pile of crap. These so-called incredible group of forwards are perimeter players. At least Yakupov has enough balls to try to get the puck close to the net, but the rest of them look like a bunch of frightened little girls. You can have all the talent in the world, but when you become a giant ***** like RNH playing against grown men, you're ****ed. Could Taylor Hall have changed things? Perhaps, at least he plays the ******* game, but he's injured all the time so **** him.
That team has bigger problems than D and goaltending. It's a mess. Changing coaches every few months has NOT done anything to develop these #1 picks, and it might be too late to hope anything good happens there for a looooong time. Eberle used to play like a boss - now he's barely there.
Rebuild the rebuild.
Goofynewfie
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1. Drake
2. Wins always matter
I disagree. Wins don't matter so much to a team that's looking at a long rebuild, like Buffalo is right now. In fact, losing gets them better picks, sort of like Edmonton did for 3 years.
What's that? They're still losing? How many #1 picks do they NEED? I guess it sucks for them they weren't 5 years earlier.
paulster2626
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1. I wasn't aware that the hockey front office faces the same challenges and has the same staff as the basketball front office.
2. How the hell would you know?
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Goofynewfie
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1.Mlse oversees ALL the teams. Each team does hsve a seperate front office, but it was mlse( the same group with the plan overseeing the Leafs) that hired Drake. Of course is easy to overlook that since it made you the butt of jokes in multiple sports leagues all over North America
2. any coach who tells his team that this win does not matter so they do not have to do their best should be fired on the spot. that creates all kinds of bad habits that can lead to losses when they "do matter". It should also be a matter of pride among the players
2. any coach who tells his team that this win does not matter so they do not have to do their best should be fired on the spot. that creates all kinds of bad habits that can lead to losses when they "do matter". It should also be a matter of pride among the players
paulster2626
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Goofynewfie said:
What the hell does basketball have to do with anything? Who cares what the raptors are doing? Seriously - basketball. The worst sport in all of mankind.
Unless you can show me that Nonis hired some ****ty rapper to promote the raptors and how that relates to the hockey team, you're rambling again.
You know what creates bad habits and leads to losses when they matter? Playing on Edmonton.
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Bruins/ Penguins. What a game, I hope this will be...But I'll be watching another game more. Jeez, I wish this game was on another night. GO BRUINS!!!!GO SOX!!!!
Goofynewfie
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It was Tim Leweike who hired him , you know him - the guy who publicly said during training camp that tge leafs were winning the cup and that the parade route was already planned. So yeah, hhis hiring Drake reflects back on the organizations (notice the "s"? That makes it plur.... Mean more than one) he run. Kinda reminds me of something Ballard would do.
paulster2626
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Can you please outline how the hiring of Ryan Nelsen as head coach of TFC has affected the Maple Leafs?
You have a talent for taking a conversation down stupid street - congratulations, troll achievement unlocked!
Goofynewfie
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Simple it hasnt. But when the president and CEO of an organization makes stupid announcements and personnel moves that are even worse than the ol'boys club here in edmonton( klowe and mact at least have some hockey experience) it does have a pr effect on the organization. Remind me again about your preseason cup win, why are we even playing the season since you already clinched? At least that ****ty rapper should get the raptors in the playoffs.
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look back. I never said Drake and leafs. Thats right. MLSE. I even qouted that for you from your post, and pointed that out in some of my later posts. Are you even sure what you are butthurt over??
I doubt he's butthurt, as there's nothing of substance to get butthurt over. Who gives a shìt who they hired for their basketball team? In fact, why would it matter even if it was for the hockey team? It doesn't. He's just trying to point out the nonsense of it all. If that's the worst you can say about the Leafs, then they must be doing great.
paulster2626
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I hate basketball, it's the worst sport imaginable. Do you really think trashing the Raptors would bother me? I can't even name a single player on the team, except for Gay of course, because that last name is awesome.
Clearly when I said MLSE knows what it's doing, it was with respect to HOCKEY - what with this being a hockey thread and all. Your response was Drake. I guess I should have been more specific, I'm terribly sorry. I'll try again:
It appears Dave Nonis, Dave Poulin, Claude Loiselle, Cliff Fletcher, Jim Hughes, Reid Mitchell, Randy Carlyle, Dave Farrish, Scott Gordon, Greg Cronin, Chris Dennis, and Rick St. Croix know what they're doing.
Is that better? Oh, right. And Drake. Can't forget Drake.
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******* Hawks are giving me heart failure as usual.
CALGARY? You guys lost to the ******* Flamers? And here I thought the Hawks were nearly untouchable. I wouldn't be surprised if this single result gives teams across the league the confidence needed to beat you guys. The mother****ing Flames. Wow.
paulster2626
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Calgary isn't even trying to win. Feaster can't even LOSE properly!
Bolland ended up looking like a brilliant pickup wrt value...
... and now he's out indefinitely with a severed (Achilles?) tendon. FML.
Now we're down two key centers. Kadri being the only scoring-line center left. So the lines are being shaken up even more with JVR being moved to center - which isn't that bad as I've always felt he's better suited for center anyways...
but still... Godammit. It'd be nice to have all our key guys healthy for once. We were almost there when Bozak got hurt, but now this... Gah. I mean, we've been doing alright in the standings but anybody watching the games should be able to tell you they still have yet to play a full, solid 60 minutes.
And the optimist in me thought that might even be a good thing as playing together night after night should have allowed them to become more consistent with time, and if they could have learned to play consistently the way they played some periods - the pinnacle IMO being the third period of the Pittsburgh game - they could have become a serious contender.
But the Bolland injury just pretty much killed most of the optimism I still had. For the first time this season I'm seriously concerned we're going to take a big hit in the standings. Luckily we have almost a week off and November looks like possibly our easiest month, but on the other side of the coin it could mean we struggle with the easiest part of the schedule and even if we're healthy later on, it's still going to be harder to get points in the tougher parts of the season.
Ugh... I'm really hoping that this is a storm we can weather, but I'm no longer feeling so confident.
... and now he's out indefinitely with a severed (Achilles?) tendon. FML.
Now we're down two key centers. Kadri being the only scoring-line center left. So the lines are being shaken up even more with JVR being moved to center - which isn't that bad as I've always felt he's better suited for center anyways...
but still... Godammit. It'd be nice to have all our key guys healthy for once. We were almost there when Bozak got hurt, but now this... Gah. I mean, we've been doing alright in the standings but anybody watching the games should be able to tell you they still have yet to play a full, solid 60 minutes.
And the optimist in me thought that might even be a good thing as playing together night after night should have allowed them to become more consistent with time, and if they could have learned to play consistently the way they played some periods - the pinnacle IMO being the third period of the Pittsburgh game - they could have become a serious contender.
But the Bolland injury just pretty much killed most of the optimism I still had. For the first time this season I'm seriously concerned we're going to take a big hit in the standings. Luckily we have almost a week off and November looks like possibly our easiest month, but on the other side of the coin it could mean we struggle with the easiest part of the schedule and even if we're healthy later on, it's still going to be harder to get points in the tougher parts of the season.
Ugh... I'm really hoping that this is a storm we can weather, but I'm no longer feeling so confident.
NewWestBrewer
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Bolland ended up looking like a brilliant pickup wrt value...
... and now he's out indefinitely with a severed (Achilles?) tendon. FML.
Now we're down two key centers. Katrina being the only scoring-line center left. So the lines are being shaken up even more with JVR being moved to center - which isn't that bad as I've always felt he's better suited for center anyways...
but still... Godammit. It'd be nice to have all our key guys healthy for once. We were almost there when Bozak got hurt, but now this... Gah. I mean, we've been doing alright in the standings but anybody watching the games should be able to tell you they still have yet to play a full, solid 60 minutes.
And the optimist in me thought that might even be a good thing as plating together night after night should have allowed them to become more consistent, and if they could have learned to play consistently the way they played some periods - the pinnacle IMO being the third period of the Pittsburgh game - they could have become a serious contender.
But the Bolland injury just pretty much killed most of the optimism I still had. For the first time this season I'm seriously concerned we're going to take a big hit in the standings. Luckily we have almost a week off and November looks like possibly our easiest month, but on the other side of the coin it could mean we struggle with the easiest part of the schedule and even if we're healthy later on, it's still going to be harder to get points in the tougher parts of the season.
Ugh... I'm really hoping that this is a storm we can weather, but I'm no longer feeling so confident.
Plus you got destroyed by a good team. Leafs have been living on the edge this year, outshot every game drastically but their goalteanding has been stellar and once again was against the nucks. However, the Leafs need to get their D together because your goalies are going to go through a rough patch at some point.
They've been getting horribly outshot, which needs to be remedied, but I don't think that's the be-all end-all of stats and feel that part of their system is in part just making their shots really count, which obviously skews things. Because, despite getting so horribly outshot, up until Saturday they had the best goal differential in the conference, and still manage to be #2 behind Pittsburgh.
If they can start playing consistent though, and get their defense to click (which I think they can manage if their roster gets healthy enough to be steady and reliable), I have no doubt they can go far. That's looking like a mighty big "if" right now, but they just gotta take it one game at a time.
In the meantime, I just spent some stupid money ordering an "Authentic" Winter Classic sweater (specifically Kessel's). But it's absolutely sick and is going to be so worth it! I'm not a superstitious person, but hopefully it'll help create some good juju
http://www.jerseycity.ca/store/B101M7287-104X!CCM/
If they can start playing consistent though, and get their defense to click (which I think they can manage if their roster gets healthy enough to be steady and reliable), I have no doubt they can go far. That's looking like a mighty big "if" right now, but they just gotta take it one game at a time.
In the meantime, I just spent some stupid money ordering an "Authentic" Winter Classic sweater (specifically Kessel's). But it's absolutely sick and is going to be so worth it! I'm not a superstitious person, but hopefully it'll help create some good juju
http://www.jerseycity.ca/store/B101M7287-104X!CCM/
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The Flames fielded a new goalie and he actually played really well. Still, Hawks clearly took that game lightly.
paulster2626
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NewWestBrewer said:
Toronto hasn't beaten Vancouver in a decade. Everyone and their uncle saw that loss coming.
4/6 points on a road trip? I'll take it - don't care who the opponent was.
Yeah, I suppose I'm being a bit fatalistic after just one game.
But the loss of Bolland bothered me way worse than the loss of one game to a good team. Especially since he'll likely be out for months at the very minimum. It also doesn't help that Bozak was put on LTIR...
NewWestBrewer
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I agree the loss of bolland will be big. I just don't think the way they are playing is a great model for success in a long season. I hate the Leafs but I give them props for winning games they shouldn't have. I do agree that the league is better when they are in the mix so hopefully they can keep this up and meet the Nucks in the finals and watch Vancouver raise the cup :rockin:
paulster2626
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NewWestBrewer said:
Season is long, don't wanna peak too soon!
But Toronto needs to get nasty again, which I think will happen as they play more division rivals.
paulster2626
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Not only that, but they actually scored in OT to win the game, and nobody noticed. For real.
Noticed that too, not so happy about it.
Rangers actually clicking tonight against the Pens.
How exactly do the playoffs work now? I understand top 3 in each division + 2 wild cards, but I'm wondering about seeding. For instance, what if 5 Atlantic teams have more points than the top 3 metropolitan teams? Does it get seeded by overall ranking within the conference, or do certain teams get guaranteed seeds (like how the division winners were each guaranteed top 3 seeds in the previous system)?
How exactly do the playoffs work now? I understand top 3 in each division + 2 wild cards, but I'm wondering about seeding. For instance, what if 5 Atlantic teams have more points than the top 3 metropolitan teams? Does it get seeded by overall ranking within the conference, or do certain teams get guaranteed seeds (like how the division winners were each guaranteed top 3 seeds in the previous system)?
