dirty, dirty, dirty...... yiikes....

[Slipgate]

lol - I figured on the know-it-alls and leaners that simply regurgitate what someone told them to respond at some point. Not biggie, most people just follow the crowd so I understand. And for the record, I don't go out of my way not to use sanitizer, I just don't go out of my way to use it. And to say that my equipment is not sanitary is simplistic at best. The fermenter is the only thing that matters since it is not boiled and it is scrubbed pretty well with a new sponge several times and rinsed with hot water. I replace my plastic buckets every 2 years or so. I have no doubt in my mind that this is every bit as sanitary as soaking it in starsan for 20 minutes.

No beard here! But I have been around long enough to think for myself. Not sure the younger generation will ever attain that level of thought, it just isn't in the population anymore.

Oh and I did enter my beer in one competition and it was deemed as "very good" with like a 42? Not sure it was the Sam Adams annual contest.

 

[SixStrings]

I too clean my equipment with just hot water from the tap. It's usually scalding hot so I feel it does a more than adequate job. ..That said, I don't think I could bring myself to not use some form of sanitizer on anything that is going to be holding/touching my wort. Call me sanitation paranoid but I'd hate to have a batch ruined over it. But as it's been said before, if it works for you why change it?

 

[RiverCityBrewer]

It would be interesting to do a side by side comparison under a scope with a sample of beer made without sanitizer ala Slipgate's method and beer made with sanitizer on the cold side. IMO its all about reducing the risk of microbial contamination on the surfaces which touch the beer. It is quite realistic that scrubbing a bucket clean, flushing well with clean water, and inverting to drip dry before it was used for fermenting would be enough to keep dust, wild yeast, bacterial spores, etc. out of the bucket and the beer. Does this make good beer, the OP says it does and I'm inclined to believe it... however, does this process make great, award winning beer... best practices from the industry would say otherwise. To each his own, cheers.

 

[Whattawort]

I started using an autoclave. Takes a bit of muscle power to shove the fermenter in there, but it's a sound investment. Just like that igloo in Alaska I bought from some schmuck.

In all seriousness, this topic is more used up than Snookie's cootercake.

 

[watersr]

lol - I figured on the know-it-alls and leaners that simply regurgitate what someone told them to respond at some point. Not biggie, most people just follow the crowd so I understand. And for the record, I don't go out of my way not to use sanitizer, I just don't go out of my way to use it. And to say that my equipment is not sanitary is simplistic at best. The fermenter is the only thing that matters since it is not boiled and it is scrubbed pretty well with a new sponge several times and rinsed with hot water. I replace my plastic buckets every 2 years or so. I have no doubt in my mind that this is every bit as sanitary as soaking it in starsan for 20 minutes.

No beard here! But I have been around long enough to think for myself. Not sure the younger generation will ever attain that level of thought, it just isn't in the population anymore.

Oh and I did enter my beer in one competition and it was deemed as "very good" with like a 42? Not sure it was the Sam Adams annual contest.

So let me see if I understand you. Taking the easy, inexpensive and practical step of sanitizing a vessel that you are going to keep a food product in at room temperature for several weeks is " not thinking for yourself" just because someone else told you it was the right thing to do? Well I wash my hands after I wipe my ass because my mommy told me to, does that make me a follower as well? Most of what I know or think was told to me or taught to me by someone else at some point and I am sure the same is true for you and everyone else. For that matter, every process you use when you make beer was regurgitated to you by some other know it all. Unless you're a 10000 year old Sumarian you didn't think up brewing for yourself. Fine, you've got a system you like and it works for you. I can't tell you how happy that makes me. But just because I accepted as true the need to try and be as sanitary as possible while i was learning to brew that does not make me a " leaner" or any less able to think for myself as you. Eschewing traditional wisdom simply for the sake of being an "original thinker" is just arrogance.

And if you had a beer that scored a 42 in the Sam Adams brewing contest, I think you'd be a little more sure of it. That's an outstanding score in a hugely competitive competition. Kinda of like saying "I think I almost got a bronze that Olympic Games thing once, but I'm not sure".

 

[JordanThomas]

Go ahead, don't doubt in YOUR mind that your equipment is sanitary. Tap water cannot get hot enough to sanitize anything. But go ahead, think in YOUR mind that it works. Just don't expect the majority of this community's intelligent members to start thinking that way. Which brings me back to my original point: what is the purpose of your thread? You didn't ask a question or provide new insight. Rather, you just told us, "hey! I don't sanitize. I've been brewing a long time so that must be effective!"

And you think your carboy is the only thing that matters?!? How about your siphon and tubing? Bung and airlock? Blowoff tube?

 

[Slipgate]

Go ahead, don't doubt in YOUR mind that your equipment is sanitary. Tap water cannot get hot enough to sanitize anything. But go ahead, think in YOUR mind that it works. Just don't expect the majority of this community's intelligent members to start thinking that way. Which brings me back to my original point: what is the purpose of your thread? You didn't ask a question or provide new insight. Rather, you just told us, "hey! I don't sanitize. I've been brewing a long time so that must be effective!"

And you think your carboy is the only thing that matters?!? How about your siphon and tubing? Bung and airlock? Blowoff tube?

Your anger would indicate you have doubts about something. I have no doubts about my methods. I am not going on the war-wagon stating that your methods are wrong. If it works for you, that is what counts. And apparently I did "provide new insight" since it would appear this is the first time you have heard this. Are you suggesting all opinions that don't agree with you should be quashed?

Of course I do include all the sundry parts you mention in the cleaning.

 

[ThreeSheetsBrewing]

I collect rain water that runs off the roof of my house and just mix it with extract. I don't even add hops. I just mix the extract and rain water then pitch an old vial of yeast that I store in the attic of my house. All of my friends(my dogs and cats) say that it's the best beer on earth!

Seriously dude. Quit trolling.

Trollers gotta troll

 

[JordanThomas]

Your anger would indicate you have doubts about something. I have no doubts about my methods. I am not going on the war-wagon stating that your methods are wrong. If it works for you, that is what counts. And apparently I did "provide new insight" since it would appear this is the first time you have heard this. Are you suggesting all opinions that don't agree with you should be quashed?

Of course I do include all the sundry parts you mention in the cleaning.

You aren't providing any opinions. You are simply saying that you don't sanitize. Then saying that 120 degree water is effective means of sanitization. That is, in fact, false. So go ahead, call it an opinion. I'm not mad that you do what you do. Use whatever methods you want. Your original post was a bit condescending

But you cannot really argue with my results. How you guys that use that stuff and still get infections do it is totally beyond my comprehension.

So why are you surprised that people responded?

Flawed logic, condescending attitude, helped no one. If you're happy with it, be happy. What was the goal of your post? To troll. Obviously.

 

[sweetcell]

move on folks, nothing to see here...

 

[watersr]

Fell for the troll bait, my bad. Moving on.

 

[cheezydemon3]

OHHHH!!!!!! Stop the snarking.

If a troll makes one person think or chuckle, then he is successful. 5 pages in, do you doubt it?

I counted on my tap water as good enough to clean UNTIL I got an infected batch. MAN, does that change your opinion in a hurry.

 

[TyTanium]

Most water heaters are set to at least 140ish to kill off nasty bugs. Even if it's only 120 at the faucet, it was higher at some point. Not sterile, but very clean. Especially if it's chlorinated from a municipality.

I don't think OP was trolling, just sharing his experience.

 

[MississippiSlim]

Yeh, and why do some folks seem to find it necessary to not just disagree but to belittle anothers choices in their process. I am definitely not the best sanitizer with my stuff but haven't had an infected batch yet but I see no problem with those that sanitize every little thing every time. Its their choice as is how I brew is my choice and the OP's. I don't think he belittled anyone for sanitizing. Live and let live, I always say When my haphazard brewing gets to the point I want to Lean Sigma the process, sanitation is the easiest place to start but for now I am happy to be making beer.

 

[JordanThomas]

The only person belittling anyone was the OP. I quoted him saying something along the lines of "how you guys use that stuff and still get infections is beyond my comprehension"

Anyhow... Moving along

 

[Slipgate]

The only person belittling anyone was the OP. I quoted him saying something along the lines of "how you guys use that stuff and still get infections is beyond my comprehension"

Anyhow... Moving along

Excellent way to take something out of context to make a (very) weak point. I suggest anger management. You'd be surprised how much better your outlook on life is when you are not angry most the time.

Also not sure why some would consider this post trolling. There have been a few posts on cleanliness lately and I think my post is topical. Perhaps there is something besides not starting out with a sanitized environment that is contributing. As I pointed out, I rarely sanitize and never have cleanliness issues. Of course YMMV.

 

[MyNameIsPaul]

Suggesting anger management is pretty belittling. May I suggest seeing a psychologist? You seem to have a super ego that needs adjustment. Maybe you grew up with a hoarder, so you're used to brewing with a mess? There's counseling for that as well.

 

[TyTanium]

Easy sluggers. It's the internet. I'm sure you're both fine chaps. Relax. Have a home brew.

 

[MississippiSlim]

It does amaze me that people who would never speak to another person impolitely have absolutely no problem doing so over the internet. Would one talk to another person in a pub in this manner when discussing their brewing methods? Possibly, as I have noticed that polite behavior is on the decline. Oh well.

 

[JordanThomas]

Excellent way to take something out of context to make a (very) weak point. I suggest anger management. You'd be surprised how much better your outlook on life is when you are not angry most the time.

Also not sure why some would consider this post trolling. There have been a few posts on cleanliness lately and I think my post is topical. Perhaps there is something besides not starting out with a sanitized environment that is contributing. As I pointed out, I rarely sanitize and never have cleanliness issues. Of course YMMV.

Second time you've suggested that I am angry or mad... Hmm.

 

[Slipgate]

It does amaze me that people who would never speak to another person impolitely have absolutely no problem doing so over the internet. Would one talk to another person in a pub in this manner when discussing their brewing methods? Possibly, as I have noticed that polite behavior is on the decline. Oh well.

You are spot on accept I think this is almost exclusive to the Internet. The people I meet in person are as polite as ever. The anonymity of the Internet brings this out of people. Some people are quite narcissistic and Sociopaths and the anonymous nature of the Internet really amplifies these conditions. If you do not agree with their view, they really take it quite personally. It is like you just insulted their mom. They feel rage, hatred, emptiness, etc. They do not argue to learn, or even to listen, they simply want to spread their viewpoint and quash all other viewpoints. Many of these types do not even read entire posts, they keyword skim and are formulating their reply - attack really - before they even finish reading. There is no room in their life for anyone else' opinion. It is their way or the highway. Oh well. I've moved on. This thread will probably get locked anyway.

 

[WiseEyes]

Mostly laziness. Same reason I don't give 2 sh1ts about hydro readings. It doesn't matter so who cares?

Man I like this guy