American IPA Bell's Two Hearted Ale Clone (close as they come)

[lhd7osc]

Ummm....my OG was 1.070. What might I have done wrong?

Also it looking extremely mucky in my primary....

Sorry edited it...primary not secondary--

 

[joety]

Ummm....my OG was 1.070. What might I have done wrong?

Also it looking extremely mucky in my primary....

Sorry edited it...primary not secondary--

We're going to need a lot more detail than that. Walk us through the ingredients, volumes, techniques, etc.

 

[lhd7osc]

I used the one from the start of the thread....

The actual gravity for this beer is 1.064
The FG is 1.010
Yeast is taken from a bottle of Bells Amber (their Pale Ale also works)

10 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 76.92 %
2 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 15.38 %
8.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %

*mash at 150 F

1.00 oz Centennial [9.50 %] (60 min) Hops 30.3 IBU
0.50 oz Centennial [9.50 %] (Dry Hop 5 days) Hops -
1.00 oz Centennial [9.50 %] (15 min) Hops 15.0 IBU
1.00 oz Centennial [9.50 %] (5 min) Hops 6.0 IBU
1.00 oz Centennial [9.50 %] (1 min) Hops 1.3 IBU

7% ABV

This beer is so damn close to the original. If you let it wait at least 2 months in the bottle/keg it'll clear up EXACTLY like the original. I had SWMBO mix the glasses up and I couldn't pick my clone out between two Two Hearted Glasses and one Clone. This is the best clone I've made and possibly the best IPA I've made.

Edit: Fixed yeast and gravity issues along with mash temp for a lower FG.

 

[jmf143]

Most likely cause of overshooting your OG is related to your volume - you either boiled off more than you expected or you mis-measured how much wort went into the fermentor. Another possible cause is that your efficiency was better than expected.

Using harvested Bell's yeast may explain the "muckiness". When I use it it stays in suspension quite a while, and even cold crashing doesn't get my beer as clear as when I use other yeasts. The taste makes it all worth while though.

 

[jonmohno]

I ended up trying to brew this but didnt quit have enough centennial,ended up with a 1.054 gravity, i think i was accounting for my lack of hops so i made a smaller version a little 4.9%er. Didnt have vienna so i subbed 2 row toasted with some caramunich and carahell (it was my guess to sub the vienna and crystal 10 which i didnt have). I also used wlp005 washed slurry ended up 1.016. I also for some reason used my tap water,which i wont again although i did it once and it took a while for me to like the beer which is what happend with this beer also.I've never liked this until now bottled six weeks.Maybe something to do with the toasted malt/german crystal malts which im deciding i think i just dont like german crystal malts (or just caramunich) at least not in most beers.
Im glad i brewed this though,its a good beer now and i cant wait to get the right ingredients,to brew the real deal next time.

 

[Rivenin]

Alright, got this mashing as we speak, 1098 yeast is in the other room rattling away on the stir plate

 

[Rivenin]

The actual gravity for this beer is 1.064
The FG is 1.010
Yeast is taken from a bottle of Bells Amber (their Pale Ale also works)

10 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 76.92 %
2 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 15.38 %
8.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %

*mash at 150 F

1.00 oz Centennial [9.50 %] (60 min) Hops 30.3 IBU
0.50 oz Centennial [9.50 %] (Dry Hop 5 days) Hops -
1.00 oz Centennial [9.50 %] (15 min) Hops 15.0 IBU
1.00 oz Centennial [9.50 %] (5 min) Hops 6.0 IBU
1.00 oz Centennial [9.50 %] (1 min) Hops 1.3 IBU

7% ABV

This beer is so damn close to the original. If you let it wait at least 2 months in the bottle/keg it'll clear up EXACTLY like the original. I had SWMBO mix the glasses up and I couldn't pick my clone out between two Two Hearted Glasses and one Clone. This is the best clone I've made and possibly the best IPA I've made.

Edit: Fixed yeast and gravity issues along with mash temp for a lower FG.

well hot damn... my eff % jumped to a tad over 80... i'm sitting at pre boil OG 1.066... this may be a tad potent.... hahaha

 

[passedpawn]

Most likely cause of overshooting your OG is related to your volume - you either boiled off more than you expected

I made a 1.080 stout this wkend that was supposed to be a 1.060 stout. Went to the pool store during the boil, left it on max and boiled way too much. Nice thing is that you can add water back later and it works out fine.

(On topic, I've made this recipe and it is superbo. The centennial was a star... I don't think I'd make it without that; maybe cascade can work but you'll need twice as much).

 

[jonmohno]

Try summit,i think its a great subb i made my first ipa based very close to this and again with the partial mash i did i ende up a 5%er again, I used twice as much 20 and half as much vienna-just because thats what i had.I just drank my last one and it still had hop aroma over a year and very good flavoring/bittering.Tasted fantastic.1.048-1.008.RIP I could just imagine had i hopped this better and hit the target og.

 

[Rivenin]

well the final grav was at 1.072, so i'm rolling with that.
it will not be two hearted, but i did scale the bitterness up so it will hopefully somewhat match with a bit more alcohol of a bite.

 

[HBrew71]

I know some of you have tried this with Wyeast 1056 (American Ale). How did it turn out? I admit I did not go through all 55 pages and what I have gone through, I did not see any mention of 1056 result. Thanks.

 

[hough77]

well the final grav was at 1.072, so i'm rolling with that.
it will not be two hearted, but i did scale the bitterness up so it will hopefully somewhat match with a bit more alcohol of a bite.

I'm brewing this tomorrow with American Ale 2 wyeast.
My projection is to hit 1.072 to give me a 7% ABV, which is what Bells is, 7%.

 

[jbsg02]

I know some of you have tried this with Wyeast 1056 (American Ale). How did it turn out? I admit I did not go through all 55 pages and what I have gone through, I did not see any mention of 1056 result. Thanks.

Very curious of this too. This will probably be my next brew and am really curious which yeast is closest to the Bell's strain. Bell's doesn't distribute where I live so I can't propagate from bottles either.

 

[AleFred]

Very curious of this too. This will probably be my next brew and am really curious which yeast is closest to the Bell's strain. Bell's doesn't distribute where I live so I can't propagate from bottles either.

It worked out great for me.. I didn't have a side by side test when I had it but I've had bell two hearted before and it was very close in taste.

 

[jbsg02]

It worked out great for me.. I didn't have a side by side test when I had it but I've had bell two hearted before and it was very close in taste.

From what it sounds like, the Bell's strain really makes this beer what it is. I will have a 1056 yeast cake I can harvest from an American Wheat that I can use

 

[HBrew71]

Brewed it over the weekend with 1056. Missed OG by couple of points. Time to get a mill I think. Fermentation was crazy yesterday. Had to setup the blow off tube. So far so good.

 

[Rivenin]

Brewed it over the weekend with 1056. Missed OG by couple of points. Time to get a mill I think. Fermentation was crazy yesterday. Had to setup the blow off tube. So far so good.

you have no idea....

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/Kameirocco/?action=view&current=VIDEO0044.mp4

 

[stompbox]

Would someone be kind enough to post a Full Boil - 10 gallon extract version of this recipe?

My brewtarget is not working right.

Thanks!

 

[Desrever]

I brewed a gallon of this about 6 weeks ago with US-05 yeast. I just tried a bottle and I don't think I could pick it apart from the real stuff! I'll be brewing more this weekend.

my first all grain BTW​

 

[Brizonian]

I brewed this a few months ago and just cracked a bottle along with a Two-Hearted. Mine came out very cloudy. Also, mine has a super bitter aftertaste. Like eating an Aspirin bitter. Also, has a slight "band-aid" aftertaste. It is almost perfect at first- its just the aftertaste that kills it. I'm thinking it fermented a little hot? I'm not really sure. I definitely did not rush it. It's so close!

Thoughts?

 

[Rivenin]

That can be a few things. Could be cloramines, when you ferment too hot it has some different off flavors from that. Did you use tap water? Have you had an issue in he past?

 

[jonmohno]

Write everything down when you brew from what water you use what you cleaned with whether you rinsed your sanitizer/type of sanitizer, how much yeast what temp, etc. how long of a lag,etc..everything,it helps find out any problems a little easier.And to see any patterns. I think you may be ok letting it conditon till you think its right.How far along has it been bottled?
Instead of thinking it fermented hot,you should know what temp it is and thats half the battle.
I ended up really liking my 2 toasted pale ale i had to sub and used toasted malt 05 yeast was a nice twist but a bit belgiany with a fuller mouthfeel and more toasted malt/maltiness.A different beer but it still fit in to the very good range.
I wish i had some centeniall i would brew this up in a heartbeat again,in fact its probably one of the only ones i will tweak for many batches, its a base for a great beer

 

[wildrosebrewing]

Just bottled this last weekend. I altered this recipe to the following:

10 lbs Pale malt
2 lbs Vienna malt
12 oz. Crystal 20L malt
8.oz. Cara-Pils malt

3.5oz. Whole Centennial hops

2, 1oz pkg. American Ale II Wyeast 1272

Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge.
Mash in 16.56 qts @ 159.1F > 148F 75mins
Batch sparge w/4 steps (Drain mash tun, 1.41gal, 1.41gal, 1.41gal) @168F (10 min each step)

.5oz Centennial 1st wort 60.min
.5oz Centennial 1st boil 60.min
.5oz Centennial boil 45.min
.5oz Centennial boil 30.min
.5oz Centennial boil 15.min
.5oz Centennial flame out 0.min

Measured OG 1.065

Here is where I had to tweek it a bit. Pitched 1oz Wyeast 1272 in primary. After 4 days no active airlock, decided to pitch a 2nd Wyeast 1272 based on Recommendation on Wyeast forums on OG of 1.065 or higher, calling for a double pitch. on 5th day slow steady activity was seen for 3 more days. Moved to secondary on 8th day. Dry hopped with .5oz Centennial.

bottled on day 16 with measured FG 1.010

Gives me 7.3 abv

Color dead on with Bells 2ha aroma just incredible. Clarity is incredible already.

Will let you know in a few weeks how this turned out. It will also be entered into a local home brew contest.

K2

 

[jbsg02]

Picked up ingredients for this today, but my LHBS would only sell me 2 oz of Centennial due to the shortage. Instead I'm going to use Columbus for bittering and Centennial and Simcoe for Flavor/Aroma. I know it won't be a clone, but I like that hop combination.

 

[jmf143]

Blending 70% Cascades and 30% Columbus is a time-honored method of subbing for Centennial hops.

 

[wildrosebrewing]

My 2 hearted with Bells. Which is which?

 

[DEWSBREW]

Obviously , your clone is on the left, this coming from a well trained eye for consumption. You drank more of the clone than the 2HA

 

[straycat]

ok, extract brewer looking to give this a whirl. here is what i put together with brew target (below). for mashing the vienna, do i just put the 2 lbs of grain in a bag and steep it for 60 minutes at 160? can i put the other steeping grains in the same bag? there will be 3 lbs of grain total, how much water should i use? also, american or german vienna? thanks for the help!

two hearted ale - American IPA (14B)
Brewer Nobody
Date 04/18/2012
Batch Size 4.740 gal Boil Size 5.240 gal
Boil Time 60.000 min Efficiency 70%
OG 1.074 FG 1.019
ABV 7.2% Bitterness 54.3 IBU (Tinseth)
Color 10.6 srm (Morey) Calories (per 12 oz.) 247
Fermentables

Total grain: 11.000 lb
Name Type Amount Mashed Late Yield Color
Liquid Extract (LME) - Pale Extract 8.000 lb No No 78% 8.0 srm
Vienna Malt Grain 2.000 lb Yes No 78% 4.0 srm
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L Grain 8.000 oz No No 75% 20.0 srm
Cara-Pils/Dextrine Grain 8.000 oz No No 72% 2.0 srm
Hops

Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
Centennial 10.5% 1.000 oz Boil 60.000 min Pellet 31.2
Centennial 10.5% 1.000 oz Boil 15.000 min Pellet 15.5
Centennial 10.5% 1.000 oz Boil 5.000 min Pellet 6.2
Centennial 10.5% 1.000 oz Boil 1.000 min Pellet 1.3
Yeast

Name Type Form Amount Stage
Safale S-05 Ale Dry 2.232 tsp Primary

 

[sparky701]

Ok going to do this as my first AG this weekend. Heading to LHBS this afternoon to get everything. One question I have is which yeast? I've read back a few pages and seen 1056 1272 wl051 us-05. Anyone give me I hint?

 

[DEWSBREW]

I used S-05 great results