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  1. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    I mean my guess is as good as anyone else's, I don't know, but just to play devil's advocate, depending on the amount of one side of the blend in any given beer, you may not have to tie up 2 or more fermenters for each. For instance, let's say you were blending a 100% WB-06 batch with an...
  2. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    I think that's one of the big open questions right now. We've been guessing but it doesn't seem like we can be sure we have a definitive answer. Personally I am still interested in trying both approaches (co-pitch vs. blend) to try to replicate that TH character.
  3. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    Did they change the description of Bright again? A couple of weeks ago their description said something to the effect of skipping biotransformation dry hop timing, and contrasted that with their other beers. I think others noted it on this thread and I looked on their Overview section and saw it...
  4. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    Yeah, I had Bright w/ Citra a while back and I was pretty surprised at how clear it was. I mean, it wasn't crystal clear but it had that slight-chill-haze look to it. Didn't pour the sediment obviously. I was always a little surprised at how hazy the regular Bright (Mosaic) looks in their...
  5. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    Sounds awesome! Did you make a starter for the 1318 or just throw in the pack?
  6. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    Looks beautiful! What was this grist/yeast ratio?
  7. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    Would you be able to describe the off flavor a little more? Was it phenolic, like pepper, clove, etc.? Or more like chlorophenols, kind of medicinal, bandaid like? Or fusely, almost like cheap vodka? Or astringent, like a drying mouthfeel?
  8. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    I did a similar thing on my second attempt. Same yeast ratios, but starting at 61F and ramped up over the course of primary. I described it in my log the same way you describe yours. Very orange-y. I will say though, mine wasn't very close to the real thing, even though it was a good beer in...
  9. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    Yeah, I think very ripe banana is a good descriptor. It was there in the 100% WB-06 part of the blend but pretty subdued in the finished blended beer. Much more subtle than in, say, a Doppelganger. The WB-06 component ended up being about 15-18% of the blend, and IMO it wasn't enough, which is...
  10. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    I feel like it had a lot of potential. But I never intended for that part of the blend to be anything more than a source of ester complexity, so I actually didn't hop it like I did the other S-04/T-58 part of the blend. The WB-06 got a little over 2 oz/gal of hopstand hops and no other kettle or...
  11. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    For sure, yeah. Actually I am planning to switch out the base strain to 1968 for one of my upcoming attempts. Also going to do a 100% WB-06 batch with a warm pitch and ferment. The motivation being that when I did my blended batch, the aroma of the WB-06 part of the blend really made me think...
  12. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    Awesome, looking forward to it! As far as the subtlety of the other strains' contributions, I feel like it seems to vary beer to beer with TH. I feel like some of their core IPAs have quite a bit of that banana-bubblegum thing. A few months ago I degassed some Doppelganger to take a gravity...
  13. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    This was exactly the question at the beginning of the road that led me to blending finished beers with the trio. My train of thought was this: i don't want the tartness that comes from warm pitching S-04. I also don't want the phenols from pitching the others cool. But if I pitch just S-04...
  14. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    Just my anecdote fwiw. The NEIPAs I've done with oats were all with 1318, mashed quite low, right around 145F. Of the 3 attempts I've done with the trio here, the first one was maybe 15% wheat, the other two were 100% barley and no unmalted grains. All 3 attempts were mashed high, 155+F. I mash...
  15. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    I would be interested in this too. Turns out they have TWSS in cans today. Wish I was in the area...
  16. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    Yes. Yes it is. I mean, I plan on doing it again but man I wish I didn't want to haha Agreed. This is my current theory as well. Although I still wonder about the CBC-1/F2.
  17. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    I remember thinking oniony about Citra probably about 6 years ago or so. Wouldn't be surprised to have that character from newly used acreage as farms try to get their feet under them as far as when to harvest.
  18. ThePaleAleIndian

    El Dorado hop

    I have only used it in a few NEIPAs I've made. It was 20% of my hop stand and a third of my second dry hop. I used it with Mosaic, Citra and Amarillo. I have never done a single hop beer with it, so I'm not sure I could have picked it out of the mix of the other pretty pungent hops. But I was a...
  19. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    Whoa, yeah, never seen an explicit mention of biotransformation hops on the TH on tap page before. Nice find!
  20. ThePaleAleIndian

    Isolated Yeast (Tree House): How to Identify and Characterize?

    I would be really interested to know how a 50/50 blend works out! I wonder if that's the direction I'm going too, although I don't think I'm ready for 50/50 just yet. Are you worried about oxidation at all with force carbing a blend? I naturally carbed mine with loose keg hops (with a dip tube...
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