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I think NZ hops are a great addition to the hops we all know and love. It'd be good to combine what folks specifically perceive from each variety in this thread. Overall I find NZ hops to be very smooth and super fruity. I find most on their own need to be blended with US citrus hops to get a...

Where do you find this hop?

Bullion. It tasted like boiled cabbage.

I tried it and didn't think it did much for eliminating chill haze. I still wound up filtering the beer.

Thanks for the heads up, now where to find them?

See, that's why I say if it wasn't labeled 'Bock' but instead 'Red' or even 'Smithwicks' it's rep would be higher...

You don't see it on tap very often here in the NE... well I had it (have had it before) and I really like it. If it was labeled 'Smithwicks' instead of 'Bock' I bet it would get a lot more cred.

I had some Valley Malt's cherrywood smoked malt and it was real nice stuff... gonna inquire about the other stuff too...

I'm really curious about using pie filling, but it does have a fair bit of sugar in it...

OK, thanks! So they really give that maple syrup flavor then eh?

I'd love to try a Blonde Bock or 2Bock... But just 6-row and a bit of 20L crystal is surprising to me - don't you need it to have that very malty character?

I am going to look into the fenugreek idea, that's a great one. Why not just add them to FO or with 2 mins left in the boil?

Just looked into the Libby's Spiced Pumpkin Pie Mix, sounds like something to try!

I like the attempt! Definitely would like to hear how it turns out. Also, I gotta look into the spiced pumpkin pie mix - if I understand your recipe correctly, it's pumpkin mash that is pre-spiced?

I usually use 50% Vienna malt in my IPA's and it works very well... 100% would probably be good too but I can definitely vouch for 50%.

Do a search for the recipe here, I'm pretty sure they use some Vienna and possibly even Munich...

I think the recipe looks very solid. Give it a go!

Still, how is it different from S-04?

But I still have a lot of S-04 to go thru!

Austin just announced it: http://www.austinhomebrew.com/product_info.php?products_id=13069 How is this different from S-04?