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The left one was an amber ale fermented at 58F, the right one was a summer(light) Vienna lager fermented at 52F. Both used harvested S-23 lager yeast. The left beer never did clear like the right one--even after months in the fridge. It cleared, but not crystal clear like the gelled one. ETA...

Here's an example of what gel can do for you on bottle conditioned beers. Double brewday, same yeast. Left primaried 14 days and then bottled. Right cold crashed to 34F, racked to secondary with gel for a few days.

Both of mine finished at 1.014 with completely different step mash schedules. I mashed the Helles at 131/140/158F for 30 mins each to dry it out and it still finished at 1.014.

Swirl the hell out of it, warm it to 60F--whatever it takes.

On cheap meters: I bought a Hanna 98107 from Amazon for $40 ~2yrs ago and have brewed 20 batches using it. It reads with .1 accuracy. It needed to have the electrode seasoned in storage solution overnight to calibrate correctly. After that, it has worked flawlessly. It reads pretty close(within...

Here are a couple of lagers I fermented with MJ M84 Bohemian Lager; BoPils on the left and Helles on the right. I didn't gel the BoPils and it's slightly hazier than the Helles(which was gelled). The Bopils lagered for 3 weeks at 35F and then moved to my 42F kegerator for another week; the...

Yep. Read my post #67 above for the details. Flavor is good. Its not as clean as a German lager strain and has a definite "Bohemian" flavor if that means anything to you. Gelling is necessary to minimize the flavor impact of this yeast. My Bopils tastes great after a 55F ferment with it. I...

Same experience I had. It works much better as a re-pitch. I typically brew a beer that I can ferment at ~58-60F when I use dry lager yeast for the first generation and only pitch 1 pack. I ferment my lagers with the harvested yeast.

My experience with M84 when pitched dry: I rehydrated and pitched 2 packs of M-84 Bohemian Lager into 6gals of 1.050 BoPils wort at 50F. 36hrs later with no activity, I let the temp rise to 57F. At 55hrs post-pitch, it started slowly moving the airlock. At 80 hrs it had a small krausen...

Just kegged the Helles. It's crystal clear, bitterness is spot on, drier than before gelling and the yeast character is minimal. It tastes as if it will be quite good after a few weeks lagering. Before gelling I harvested 2 jars of ~220ml each of clean yeast to reuse.

FG on both batches fermented was 1.014 from OG of 1.050. The first batch was a bopils step mashed at 131F/30mins, 146F/20 mins, 162F/20mins. I tried to dry the Helles out a bit with a mash schedule of 131/30, 140/30, 158/30, but it still finished at 1.014. I'll probably keg the Helles...

The yeast has a strong lager yeast flavor. I just gelled the Helles a few days ago. I'll let you know how the flavor is when it clears

Just finished fermenting a Helles with 180ml of harvested M84 Bo Lager yeast, 1 week old with no starter. Pitched at 50F, it started quickly and fermented to 72% attn--same as the new, 2pack dry pitch. Tastes good but needs to be chilled to ~32F to drop out. That stuff is seriously low floccing...

I recently took some co-workers several lagers I brewed, one of which was a Czech Amber session lager about the color of Shiner Bock. 3.4% alcohol and 100 calories. One told me how thick and alcoholic that beer was and how she got a buzz after just a few sips. I explained that it had less...

On cheap meters: I bought a Hanna 98107 from Amazon for $40 ~2yrs ago and have brewed 20 batches using it. It needed to have the electrode seasoned in storage solution overnight to calibrate correctly. After that, it has worked flawlessly. It reads pretty close(within .1) of what EZ water...

I pitched ~200ml of 1 week old washed M84 into a German lager on Sunday. It's chugging along nicely at 53F as of this AM. I step mashed this one at 131/140/158F for 30 mins each rest to try and dry it out. The lagering Bopils I brewed with it tastes great. I'm pleased with this yeast and will...

Bottled/kegged my 6gals of BoPils fermented with the M84 yeast today-- 5gals to the keg, 2L into a Sprite bottle(for my carbonator cap), and 3 bombers with 3.5G of sucrose in each. I had my doubts about this yeast post-ferm. It was very hazy and didn't clear at all during the d-rest, tasted...

I leave no headspace when filling from keg. Top off all the way up and have no CO2 loss or O2 in the bottle.

I looked it up too. LOLed at one review: "Oh boy, some stale tire air aroma right up front. Maybe I spent too much time repairing bike tires as a kid, but this is what I would smell when I had to repair bike tires. "

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