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I never considered Sap to have the signature TH flavor and thought it was an average IPA. More recently I’ve noticed it clearly has some of that TH flavor, and in my opinion, is a much better beer. I would agree that the majority of that specific flavor is not coming from S04, but I’m still...

Personall, I don’t like their HDHC beers anywhere near as much as their normal versions.

Regarding Munich, I’ve read that as well, so who knows. I think whatever he’s using that provides the color is so small it won’t make or break a clone recipe. I’m not sure if they’re using 1 or more FV’s but whatever contributes that signature flavor is so dominate in some of their beers I...

Good find - hadn’t seen that one. If that’s the case then I think it’s likely the ‘house yeast’ beers are using more than one FV. Based on what we know these beers they are using a different process than their other IPAs and have hops interacting with yeast. Considering the TH flavor is...

Picked up at the brewery. It was much better fresh, as in same day.

I’ve tried them a few times now. Not bad, but all of their IPA’s have a very muddled flavor to them. It makes me think they’re dry hopping early in fermentation.

Third hand info, but someone told me they had a conversation with Nate in the early TH days and he mention Julius had a touch of Munich for sweetness. Not 100% sure if that’s accurate, and as you pointed out, their grain bills have almost certainly changed.

My understanding is that Nate was brewing an absurd amount to perfect his recipes/process - I believe something like 10 beers a week. On a home brewers budget it’s usually not reasonable to get 10 conicals. That would be my guess on why we see a variety of equipment. That’s not to say his...

Reminds me a little of Heady Topper. It’s not bad. Not as good as their normal stuff.

Yes, agree. It seems to be common in the ‘house yeast’ beers, but from what I remember you don’t get this in the Bright beers. Drinking C104 as I write this, no yeast in the bottom of the glass, no coloring in the foam. C104 does not use ‘house yeast’. Wouldn’t this point to a different process...

A few days. The first two beers from the hand delivered package are bursting with flavor. Ever notice the coloring in the foam from their beers with house yeast? This pic is from Juice Project, which is amazing.

Regarding Sabro. I’m not a fan of fermentation DH but thought this chart was interesting.

I find Nelson to be very overpowering. I used 2 oz DH in my last beer along with 6 Citra and 2 Amarillo, and it screamed Nelson. No Nelson prior to DH. It was actually delicious, and I typically don’t like Nelson, but apparently I like it in small %.

I’ve been getting a lot less of that distinct TH flavor in the last couple of batches. I’ve also had those delivered via the mail so maybe that plays into it. I got a fresh batch yesterday delivered straight from the brewery so I’m curious if it’s different. Or maybe it’s just my taste buds.

Saturated has homemade mango simple syrup. Core beers do not have any type of extract.

Thats actually exactly what my plan is. Lol. Either way, I probably wouldn’t stop using it altogether, but stop making beers that focus on it if I can’t get that flavor I want.

I’m about ready to give up on Citra. Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like what I get at the homebrew level (usually YVH) is so far off from what I get from a Jjjuliusss or a OH Citra beer that it’s almost not worth it. I know there’s always going to be a gap in quality but I just never get any of...

I liked their earlier beers but a lot of their later stuff became candy sweet. I wasnt a fan and gave up on their beers but I might have to revisit. I never got TH from them back then - I did get esters I associate w/LAIII. Not sure if they use that yeast or not but Im guessing they do in at...

No. And I’m not saying everyone would get the same results, and I’m not trying to discourage anyone from experimenting. But in my experience if you brew (for example) a Wit and poured it into a pale ale, it would taste just like what you would expect, a wit poured into a pale ale. It wouldn’t...

As previously mentioned, I didn’t ignore. I was convinced that was the way to go and tried a couple batches. It made a good beer but wasn’t anything like TH. Very strong esters from the other 2 yeasts. They faded and became subtle very quickly. That being said, it was in my beginning stages of...