With Mr Beer you need about 4 pounds of DME, LME or UME to produce a good 2-1/2 gallon brew. Usind Mr Beer ingredients that is about $25 just for the malt. Better to buy 5 gallon recipies from MoreBeer, AustinBrewing, Midwest or others. Just need a second fermenter so you can spin out 5 gallon...