looking for pump input!

BeerPumpsEtc · Nov 3, 2012

jamieboot said:
Scott,

I just ordered two of these last week to be shipped to Japan.

Can you confirm they will be the stainless NPT versions as advertised on the website?
Are you saying these wont be shipped for at least another month? should probably inform people of that when they buy them!

Cheers

Jamie

Well it does say BSP/NPT which is bsp and will thread as far as NPT taper allows, surprised you wound not actually want BSP in Japan? In any event we have bsp/npt in stock no wait for them.

jamieboot · Nov 3, 2012

I meant its going to be the stainless rather than brass version?

Great to hear you have them in stock and I don't need to wait!

Thanks

BeerPumpsEtc · Nov 20, 2012

We have had a number of people request extra o-ring seals which we had not stocked. Now we are stocking them, not that anyone has needed them yet.

atonofhops · Jan 4, 2013

I just ordered a pair of these today!!! 2 for the price of 1 chugger shipped, caint beat the price might not flow as fast but it will do just fint for my 5-10 gallon system.

joe--h · Jan 13, 2013

Hello, I'm [email protected]. I've read through this thread & maybe have a few answers.
The magnets are supposed to be food safe, they were certified as such by an Australian testing lab. To what standards I have no idea. Keep in mind these pumps are manufactured in China, where adulterating infant formula with melamine is OK if it turns a better profit.
The fittings are brass and are 1/2 NPT.
As far as restricting the flow, a valve after the pump would be the preferred method. The pump is not self priming, it needs to be below the level of the liquid to fill. I test each pump before I shipping with a wall wart from an old electric razor. Just about any 1 amp wart will work, or you can buy 12V power supplies on ebay cheaply. The suppliers in Hong Kong ship very quickly if you find a cheap one there.
I don't have the stainless type fittings nor do I intend to due to the quantity required to purchase & the very limited demand. The price has recently gone up at the manufacturer's insistence so you won't find them for $60 any more.
Not soliciting sales, just some information. I know zero about brewing, pretty good at the drinking end of the process though.
Joe Hennessey [email protected] - if this is not permitted on your forum please delete.

emjay · Jan 14, 2013

How's that for honesty??!

HarkinBanks · Jan 24, 2013

I just got one of these little guys from Great Breweh with the new stainless NPT threads. It is a pretty cool little pump. I tested it last night with tap water and it pumped very well through my chillzilla. I hooked it up in line right at the ball valve. I plan to use it to recirculate wort during chilling and whirlpool in the kettle. It should work well for that. I wish these pumps existed a few years ago before I bought my march pumps. My march pumps are a pain to prime. This one primes easily because I have it right next to my ball valve. And man, these are tiny and so quiet.

chuggerpumps · Jan 24, 2013

There is no such thing as a food safe magnet! We are dealing with Ferrite metals here..definitely not food safe. No HI- Jack intending here ..I just cant stand it when false statements are made about food safe materials . On all other brands of brew pumps the magnets are encased in either SS or Polysulfone FDA grade plastic ....this is for a reason! Dont be mislead

My 2 cents ..maybe we both should be deleted? Joe ...call me would love to discuss further
MIKE 800-810-1053

joe--h said:
Hello, I'm [email protected]. I've read through this thread & maybe have a few answers.
The magnets are supposed to be food safe, they were certified as such by an Australian testing lab. To what standards I have no idea. Keep in mind these pumps are manufactured in China, where adulterating infant formula with melamine is OK if it turns a better profit.
The fittings are brass and are 1/2 NPT.
As far as restricting the flow, a valve after the pump would be the preferred method. The pump is not self priming, it needs to be below the level of the liquid to fill. I test each pump before I shipping with a wall wart from an old electric razor. Just about any 1 amp wart will work, or you can buy 12V power supplies on ebay cheaply. The suppliers in Hong Kong ship very quickly if you find a cheap one there.
I don't have the stainless type fittings nor do I intend to due to the quantity required to purchase & the very limited demand. The price has recently gone up at the manufacturer's insistence so you won't find them for $60 any more.
Not soliciting sales, just some information. I know zero about brewing, pretty good at the drinking end of the process though.
Joe Hennessey [email protected] - if this is not permitted on your forum please delete.

HarkinBanks · Jan 24, 2013

I don't want to jump into the fray but the Great Breweh pump magnet is coated with food grade high temp coating. For whatever that is worth.

chuggerpumps · Jan 24, 2013

High temp food grade coating?? We have been selling FDA grade pumps for 20 years...never heard of it? Please forward what this is ..we could spray all of aour cast iron pumps with it and make them food grade?

The point here is it does not exist!

joe--h said:
Hello, I'm [email protected]. I've read through this thread & maybe have a few answers.
The magnets are supposed to be food safe, they were certified as such by an Australian testing lab. To what standards I have no idea. Keep in mind these pumps are manufactured in China, where adulterating infant formula with melamine is OK if it turns a better profit.
The fittings are brass and are 1/2 NPT.
As far as restricting the flow, a valve after the pump would be the preferred method. The pump is not self priming, it needs to be below the level of the liquid to fill. I test each pump before I shipping with a wall wart from an old electric razor. Just about any 1 amp wart will work, or you can buy 12V power supplies on ebay cheaply. The suppliers in Hong Kong ship very quickly if you find a cheap one there.
I don't have the stainless type fittings nor do I intend to due to the quantity required to purchase & the very limited demand. The price has recently gone up at the manufacturer's insistence so you won't find them for $60 any more.
Not soliciting sales, just some information. I know zero about brewing, pretty good at the drinking end of the process though.
Joe Hennessey [email protected] - if this is not permitted on your forum please delete.

HarkinBanks said:
I don't want to jump into the fray but the Great Breweh pump magnet is coated with food grade high temp coating. For whatever that is worth.

HarkinBanks · Jan 24, 2013

Like I said, I don't want to jump into the fray. You can read about it on the website:

http://greatbreweh.com/Beer_Pump.html

I have no dog in this fight. I wanted to report that I like the little pump. People can make their own decisions on what pump, if any, they want to use.

chuggerpumps · Jan 24, 2013

Not looking for anything either just want people to be properly informed...isn't that the purpose of forums?.....You can't believe everyhting you read nad i believe in honesty with all customers

No ill intentions or upsells here ....

atonofhops · Jan 24, 2013

http://tmpaint.en.alibaba.com/produ...temperature_food_grade_metal_paint_color.html

not saying they use this but often times a quick internet search might be the best thing. Also are stir bars not magnetic also? where as I thank you chugger for your input it does seem like you wish to sway business in your direction. Why are your pumps so expensive?(relitave term I know) would it be possible for you to design a small low cost "safe" pump? I use these tiny pumps in my boat as well water circulators, mine are not coated they are just ebay cheap ones but same design. I was out fishing with these pumps running for hours when done I placed the old horseshoe magnet in the well at the dock, after 30 minutes I pulled it out of the water there was nothing on the magnent not even a smudge with a clean white rag......I suspect it will work just fine. Any way if you could address the possibility of a low cost food safe pump lets say in the 1-2 gpm range @$50-$60.
Thankyou for your time.

passedpawn · Jan 24, 2013

joe--h said:
Hello, I'm [email protected]. I've read through this thread & maybe have a few answers.
The magnets are supposed to be food safe, they were certified as such by an Australian testing lab. To what standards I have no idea. Keep in mind these pumps are manufactured in China, where adulterating infant formula with melamine is OK if it turns a better profit.
The fittings are brass and are 1/2 NPT.
As far as restricting the flow, a valve after the pump would be the preferred method. The pump is not self priming, it needs to be below the level of the liquid to fill. I test each pump before I shipping with a wall wart from an old electric razor. Just about any 1 amp wart will work, or you can buy 12V power supplies on ebay cheaply. The suppliers in Hong Kong ship very quickly if you find a cheap one there.
I don't have the stainless type fittings nor do I intend to due to the quantity required to purchase & the very limited demand. The price has recently gone up at the manufacturer's insistence so you won't find them for $60 any more.
Not soliciting sales, just some information. I know zero about brewing, pretty good at the drinking end of the process though.
Joe Hennessey [email protected] - if this is not permitted on your forum please delete.

Good info. I'll let it go, but Joe please contact our admin TxBrew if you want to further market your products to our homebrew community; you need a Vendor membership to do so. I'm not sure about the suitability for brewing; I'll let our ever-vigilant brewing community vet it out.

joe--h · Jan 25, 2013

Good info. I'll let it go, but Joe please contact our admin TxBrew if you want to further market your products to our homebrew community; you need a Vendor membership to do so. I'm not sure about the suitability for brewing;
-----------------------------------------
I'm not looking to market the pumps here, my target audience is solar water heating applications. The stainless fittings are not necessary for that purpose, and as there are brewer suppliers already selling them I'm not going to try to compete with them.

My website tells me where the hits come from and a few are from here, that's why I posted.

Joe Hennessey

alien · Jan 29, 2013

chuggerpumps said:
Not looking for anything either just want people to be properly informed...isn't that the purpose of forums?.....You can't believe everyhting you read nad i believe in honesty with all customers

No ill intentions or upsells here ....

Just spreading a little FUD? I wonder what possible motives you could have for that.

As has been pointed out there are plenty of food safe magnets including the PTFE coated ones use to stir yeast cultures.

chuggerpumps · Jan 29, 2013

Why would I have any fear? HBT is not an instrument for us to sell anything. It actually benefits the HBT member when we offer promotions. As for the yeast culture this may be true but in the pump world there are no Food Grade Magnets pumping fluids at 212F. 3600 rpm. They just don't exist..As always I would love to discuss further anytime
Mike 800-810-1053

kincade · Jan 29, 2013

There is a fairly simple answer to this 'debate'. What is the coating on the magnets? To date, not one of the manufacturers or retailers has been able or willing to answer this. GreatBrewEh didn't even answer my email when I asked. And when asked earlier on HBT they responded with a generic answer again. No details have been offered as to what the temperature limits of the coating are, what it's made of, etc. To further my concern, the 'FDA food rating' would only apply under certain temperatures and circumstances and those have not been disclosed either. For example, the March pump heads are rated FDA food compliant with the disclosure of "can handle liquids of 250F intermittently."

I'm not an employee of March or Chugger and have no vested interest in either operation, but I remain skeptical of these cheap little pumps in our application until someone can give me a full 'ingredient list'. March and Chugger both do so willingly, and if the pump is legit there is no reason someone shouldn't be able to do it for these as well.

And for the record, I've had great experiences with both March and Chugger. I have not used one of these, and will not do so until I know what my product will contact during brewing.

atonofhops · Feb 1, 2013

I just got both of my new "little" pumps today, both run just fine and I will be placing them inservice this weekend. As for magnents and coatings and all this other stuff, I DONT CARE. I have done research and there are several high temp food safe/grade coatings out there. If I were a business selling to the public(which I am and do)I would not sell anything that would risk my economic future, I feel these guys are selling a quality product. It was as stated never ment for brewing but has been adopted for susc, much like water coolers which were also never ment for brewing, it is in a home brewers nature to be inovative and inventive in any way that can make things better and/or faster.

kevin509 · Feb 11, 2013

They use the little pumps a lot in England and Australia and have been for quite awhile and I haven't heard of anyone getting sick, or complaints of bad tasting beer. What exactly is "food safe"? In brewing forums that term is like "healthy" and "low fat" elsewhere in discussions. Are the big name pumps we use for brewing made for home brewing? Not actually, they are adaptations of chemicals pumps hence why they can withstand high temp and being magnetically coupled keeps high temps and chemicals away from motor seals.
Many homes have galvanized water pipes but we won't use them in brewing. Most of frown on aluminum but go into any commercial kitchen and they are used for everything including acidic foods. Most brass contains some lead but we use it in home brewing without saying a word. PVC pipe has chemicals that can leach into water/beer at higher than rated temps but we use it in mash tun manifolds without a huge debate. The last time you ordered a beer did you ask if the tap and faucet shank were stainless or chrome plated brass? Our food comes in coated tin cans but God we won't use anything like that in brewing. There is silicone sealant that is "FDA approved" but don't think I'd put it on my breakfast cereal. How safe is styrofoam? We drink hot coffee out of cups made of it. It's a debate that will go on forever but is stupid if you ask me. How many home brewers use nothing but 304 or 316 stainless throughout the brewing process including hard piped with no hoses? Food safe means it won't make you sick under normal use and or contact plain and simple. Does it mean it won't add off flavors? Nope. Does it mean it won't cause cancer at some point, who knows. Only true pump that is truly food safe, high temp resistant is a lab style peristaltic pump. Wort never touches anything but inside the silicone or tygon hose.

March and Chugger pumps are great, I use one myself but they can be out of reach for some financially and if these 12V pumps work and don't affect the taste of your beer then why not? Just recirculating from drain to top of kettle then do you really need a $160 pump plus fittings? One thing these little 12V pumps do have over any other pump is they are actually quiet!!! I'm considering trying one just for that reason as I brew in an apartment and I'm sure my neighbors would appreciate a quieter wort recirculating pump during a 90 minute mash.

TANSTAAFB · Feb 11, 2013

kevin509 said:
they use the little pumps a lot in england and australia and have been for quite awhile and i haven't heard of anyone getting sick, or complaints of bad tasting beer. What exactly is "food safe"? In brewing forums that term is like "healthy" and "low fat" elsewhere in discussions. Are the big name pumps we use for brewing made for home brewing? Not actually, they are adaptations of chemicals pumps hence why they can withstand high temp and being magnetically coupled keeps high temps and chemicals away from motor seals.
Many homes have galvanized water pipes but we won't use them in brewing. Most of frown on aluminum but go into any commercial kitchen and they are used for everything including acidic foods. Most brass contains some lead but we use it in home brewing without saying a word. Pvc pipe has chemicals that can leach into water/beer at higher than rated temps but we use it in mash tun manifolds without a huge debate. The last time you ordered a beer did you ask if the tap and faucet shank were stainless or chrome plated brass? Our food comes in coated tin cans but god we won't use anything like that in brewing. There is silicone sealant that is "fda approved" but don't think i'd put it on my breakfast cereal. How safe is styrofoam? We drink hot coffee out of cups made of it. It's a debate that will go on forever but is stupid if you ask me. How many home brewers use nothing but 304 or 316 stainless throughout the brewing process including hard piped with no hoses? Food safe means it won't make you sick under normal use and or contact plain and simple. Does it mean it won't add off flavors? Nope. Does it mean it won't cause cancer at some point, who knows. Only true pump that is truly food safe, high temp resistant is a lab style peristaltic pump. Wort never touches anything but inside the silicone or tygon hose.

March and chugger pumps are great, i use one myself but they can be out of reach for some financially and if these 12v pumps work and don't affect the taste of your beer then why not? Just recirculating from drain to top of kettle then do you really need a $160 pump plus fittings? One thing these little 12v pumps do have over any other pump is they are actually quiet!!! I'm considering trying one just for that reason as i brew in an apartment and i'm sure my neighbors would appreciate a quieter wort recirculating pump during a 90 minute mash.

Prost!

Fractional · Feb 11, 2013

just purchased 2 of them no more lifting a 80 qt ss pot around! my back already loves me more.

PortDawgBrewer · Feb 19, 2013

@Kevin509.... :mug:

As I read this I can't help but think about the fact we are talking about how we all like to make booze, maybe even have a smoke or 2 while we pound down some of our home brew. I drive too fast, ride a motorcycle with no helmet, scuba and skydive, eat crappy (not always), don't exercise enough, and am in the military with occassional "trips" to the "Sand Box" over yonder where everyone wants us to die as all good enfidels should. I have this pump and could give a rats ass about its make up!!! It pumps great and is affordable....this makes me happy. Cheers.

dogwater · Feb 19, 2013

Just received my 3 little pumps for my single tier design, I modeled the pump in Google sketchup so I could use it my piping layouts.

See it here

If you go to the google sketchup warehouse and search "beer pump", it's the first one that comes up. The dimensions are close enough for design purposes, but not exact. If I get some time, I'll grab my micrometer and tune up the model.

Enjoy!

alien · Feb 19, 2013

With the 12v pump at $19 people have a good reason to find out for themselves whether it suits their purposes.

For more information I suggest going to http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk or http://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk and typing "solar pump" into the search box.

alien · Feb 21, 2013

kincade said:
There is a fairly simple answer to this 'debate'. What is the coating on the magnets? To date, not one of the manufacturers or retailers has been able or willing to answer this. GreatBrewEh didn't even answer my email when I asked. And when asked earlier on HBT they responded with a generic answer again. No details have been offered as to what the temperature limits of the coating are, what it's made of, etc. To further my concern, the 'FDA food rating' would only apply under certain temperatures and circumstances and those have not been disclosed either. For example, the March pump heads are rated FDA food compliant with the disclosure of "can handle liquids of 250F intermittently."

I'm not an employee of March or Chugger and have no vested interest in either operation, but I remain skeptical of these cheap little pumps in our application until someone can give me a full 'ingredient list'. March and Chugger both do so willingly, and if the pump is legit there is no reason someone shouldn't be able to do it for these as well.

And for the record, I've had great experiences with both March and Chugger. I have not used one of these, and will not do so until I know what my product will contact during brewing.

The 12V pumps from solarprojects.co.uk are made from Fortron aka polyphenylene sulfide.

Here's a picture of exactly what is inside:

Fractional · Feb 21, 2013

got mine yesterday strong little sucker.

Wrecked · Sep 23, 2013

Just curious if those using the GreatBrewEh pump are still happy with it?

DrHops · Sep 23, 2013

Wrecked said:
Just curious if those using the GreatBrewEh pump are still happy with it?

I have the same pump from US Solar and I love it! You have to use a hop spider when using leaf hops because it will clog easily, but that's it.

HarkinBanks · Sep 23, 2013

I have the great brewah one and I really wanted to like it but if I had to do it again I would get another march 809. It is quiet and works well for recirculating but it has crapped out on me 3 times after recirculating through my herms and trying to go to chill through my chillzilla after the boil. I don't know if I overheat it or what but it got really annoying the 3rd time. A few hours later it kicks back on so I think it is a heat issue. Not really bulletproof like my march pump.

looking for pump input!

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