Windows 11

[day_trippr]

Same here. Watching this is painful so far...

 

[Ozarks Mountain Brewery]

Windows 11, version 24H2 updates today

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/status-windows-11-24h2

 

[day_trippr]

Vaya con Dios

I had a full block on Windows Update for the maximum allowed duration that was to expire today to hopefully hold off until MS fixed the 24H2 package, but it's clear there's still a ridiculous amount of fails still going on with it with new issues found nearly daily.

I don't need that aggravation on a machine that is working perfectly, so as soon as I woke my system up this morning I jumped into the Update tool, enabled updates long enough for it to start searching for new ones, then immediately re-asserted the full block for the max duration again, which will expire on December 26 this time. We'll see what happens...

Cheers!

 

[balrog]

C'mon. Live on the edge.

 

[day_trippr]

Nope nope nope!

 

[PCABrewing]

I can wait till October...

 

[day_trippr]

Now bugs associated with sleep...

https://www.windowslatest.com/2024/...-trashes-game-audio-breaks-date-time-setting/

 

[mac_1103]

My laptop basically runs the way MS tells it to, and is showing no signs of wanting to install 24H2. It's telling me that there's another cumulative update for 23H2 ready to download and install right now. Of course, the last time I really understood how PCs work was when I was writing batch files in DOS.

 

[day_trippr]

I was looking for a way to allow Update to run but selectively not install the 24H2 update, but haven't found a way short of possibly a registry hack. But I keep seeing comments to the effect that as 24H2 is a feature update it asks to be installed and won't unless OK'd. I also see comments to the contrary.

Can anyone refute that from experience - their system auto-updated to 24H2 without requiring explicit consent?

Cheers!

 

[balrog]

The 3 or 4 PCs/Laptops I deal with all required me to proactively choose to play the Russian roulette.

 

[Ozarks Mountain Brewery]

I was looking for a way to allow Update to run but selectively not install the 24H2 update, but haven't found a way short of possibly a registry hack. But I keep seeing comments to the effect that as 24H2 is a feature update it asks to be installed and won't unless OK'd. I also see comments to the contrary.

Can anyone refute that from experience - their system auto-updated to 24H2 without requiring explicit consent?

Cheers!

have you looked here
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/a...an-i-permanently-disable-windows-update-servi

 

[day_trippr]

Nah, that's not a solution, doesn't do selective blocking...

 

[Ozarks Mountain Brewery]

I guess they caved
https://jasondeegan.com/windows-11-update-microsoft-now-allows-installation-on-older-pcs/

 

[day_trippr]

Maybe - but how much is the question. There are quite a few processor and platform feature dependencies in the original W11 requirements. They could relax just the latest set, or go further back in time.

I have two desksides and a laptop built/purchased around 2010 that haven't met the requirements to this point. I actually built a new deskside this year because of that, and assumed I'd have to build a 2nd new deskside and maybe pick up a new lap top in 2025. I'd be quite surprised if any of the old three get lit up with W11.

Poor quality article to not even touch on the possibilities, never mind list specifics...

Cheers!

 

[sibelman]

Now that I have a couple of spare older Win 10 laptops, I'm less concerned about the impending Win 10 end of life. I can use them offline for almost anything that requires Windows.

The only thing that Linux may not do for me is play selected DRM streaming media. Kanopy is the hurdle to cross. Before October.

So far, Win 11 still seems like someone else's concern. But the future is always uncertain...

 

[balrog]

#NotEnoughBeerInTheWorldSpleen

I let it update Win11 to 24H2.

Now Civ5 refuses to run on Steam.

At.

All.

Tried so many, many things. Secure Boot. TPM on/off. reinstall Win11. SFC /scannow. DISM check/restore. Beta legacy. Run as admin. Reinstall Steam and Civ. Update Radeon GPU drivers. Sacrifice a virgin beer. Then a virgin eggnogg and Makers Mark.

Sigh.

 

[sibelman]

Dang.

 

[day_trippr]

I've been seeing posts claiming there's a known issue with the roll-back facility so it does not work with the 24H2 update
I still have updates disabled...

 

[balrog]

Update:
Thanks for the kind responses.
After all that, and maybe because of all that i did, what I tried finally was running a newer Civ, #6, and it worked.

And after that, Civ 5 worked. Computers are weird.

 

[balrog]

Rage Against The Machine never specified the particular machine with which they were furious.

Most reckon it was a printer.

 

[z-bob]

#NotEnoughBeerInTheWorldSpleen

I let it update Win11 to 24H2.

Now Civ5 refuses to run on Steam.

At.

All.

Tried so many, many things. Secure Boot. TPM on/off. reinstall Win11. SFC /scannow. DISM check/restore. Beta legacy. Run as admin. Reinstall Steam and Civ. Update Radeon GPU drivers. Sacrifice a virgin beer. Then a virgin eggnogg and Makers Mark.

Sigh.

That's really weird. I play a lot of Civ5 on a W11 PC, but it's at 23H2. I have another old PC running 24H2 (just to see if I could install it) but it doesn't have Steam. Maybe I can install it and see if Civ5 works there...

I just saw your update. Any idea what really changed so it started working?

 

[balrog]

That's really weird. I play a lot of Civ5 on a W11 PC, but it's at 23H2. I have another old PC running 24H2 (just to see if I could install it) but it doesn't have Steam. Maybe I can install it and see if Civ5 works there...

I just saw your update. Any idea what really changed so it started working?

I tried everything I read.
Quite literally.
Betas, "ineedlegacyaccess"
Run as admin (not required now)
Reinstalled Windows, keep apps and settings
Tons of SFC and DISM
Many much the rebootsen
Updated my Radeon 5700XT drivers
Delete, wipe folders, Steam, Civ5, redownload, reinstall, several times (yeah, 6G download takes a beer or 3)
Many "validate files" for the Civ5 install
Installed Steam and lib on SSD C:, or on reg HD D:, originally Steam was on C: and library was on D:
Nothing worked until running Civ6 first successfully.

On my Win11 laptop, also upgraded in situ from Win10, had to reload, reinstall Steam and Civ5 but running as admin and doing the ineedlegacyaccess worked first time.

It was an adventure.

 

[sibelman]

an adventure

Yes. But, like everyone, I prefer my computer "adventures" to be self-inflicted. I'm glad your box is working well again.

 

[balrog]

That's really weird. I play a lot of Civ5 on a W11 PC, but it's at 23H2. I have another old PC running 24H2 (just to see if I could install it) but it doesn't have Steam. Maybe I can install it and see if Civ5 works there...

I just saw your update. Any idea what really changed so it started working?

One last fftopic:
I forgot about secureboot and TPM. When I first built this system with B450 Tomahawk Max mobo and Ryzen 7 3700, I did not futz with BIOS much. EventViewer was getting weird errors about TPM and I switched it off. To upgrade in place to Win11 I had to re-enable TPM. During all the other things I was doing, suddenly I was seeing something in EventViewer about secureboot not being on. My BIOS would not even show secureboot. Then I found I'd set UEFI/CSM, not UEFI, which I think means "with legacy support" or such. Changing that showed me secureboot and I set that, if only to clean Eventviewer. Now *that* did not immediately help get Steam/Civ5 working again, but it was something I did.

Carry on folks with Win 11.


<and now he goes to check eventviewer>

 

[day_trippr]

Apparently my new deskside is on the "don't do the 24H2 update" list because the War Thunder game uses Easy Anti Cheat (EAC) which has an incompatibility of some sort so until that is fixed I'm "safe" I just dropped my update "shield" and the Update tool couldn't find anything to install today...

Cheers!

 

[mac_1103]

Windows update informed me of the availability of 24H2 for the first time this morning. Still no sign of it forcing the download and/or install.

 

[z-bob]

Windows update informed me of the availability of 24H2 for the first time this morning. Still no sign of it forcing the download and/or install.

I just got the same notification. Haven't decided if I'm going to install it or wait a while.

 

[day_trippr]

Looks like War Thunder is switching anti cheat software. Hopefully the new kit doesn't break with 24H2 like the current kit...

https://warthunder.com/en/news/9247-war-thunder-anti-cheat-system-update-en

 

[balrog]

I just got 24H2’d.
And the networked (wire not wireless) printer turned up her nose at requests to put out print.

Reboot one more time and it resolved.

 

[z-bob]

I installed 24H2 and Civ5 stopped working. (no error, it just fails to launch) I posted about it on the civ forum and someone replied thusly:

Microsoft are cracking down on pirated software with windows 11 and enforcing tpm drm certificate verifications. civ 5 is so old that it doesnt have one so its redflagged and doesnt start. microsoft said they rolled back this requirement for older games in novembers 24 patch until developers patch there software. i found the roll back patch notes in windows 10 rollback notes

scroll to highlights to see the windows 10 fix >>>>

November 12, 2024—KB5046613 (OS Builds 19044.5131 and 19045.5131) - Microsoft Support​

If you scoll to windows 11 24h2 patch notes for november 24 you will see they diidnt apply this fix to windows 11 24h2.>>> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...-preview-2040f716-b719-482a-8aff-f7f02c79b147

My own solution to this was to install windows 10 ltsc 2021 which runs until 2031 with unpaid updates or until i stop playing older games.

I don't have a volume license to install LTSC. I rolled 24H2 back to 23H2 and Civ is working again. I assume Fixaris has no intentions of patching a 10yo game. So I'm investigating installing win XP or 7 in a virtual machine and seeing if the game is playable that way. (I experimenting with VMs a few years ago on a different laptop and performance sucked, but this one has a much more modern CPU and more memory so it might work)

 

[balrog]

I installed 24H2 and Civ5 stopped working. (no error, it just fails to launch) I posted about it on the civ forum and someone replied thusly:

I don't have a volume license to install LTSC. I rolled 24H2 back to 23H2 and Civ is working again. I assume Fixaris has no intentions of patching a 10yo game. So I'm investigating installing win XP or 7 in a virtual machine and seeing if the game is playable that way. (I experimenting with VMs a few years ago on a different laptop and performance sucked, but this one has a much more modern CPU and more memory so it might work)

I thought I recognized your avatar on the Civ forums.
Funny thing is, I have a PC with Win11 Pro 24H2, and I can run Civ5. I have a laptop with Win 11 Pro that ran Civ5 until I updated to 24H2 and I worked all day on it and never got Civ5 working.

Personally, I'd go back to Win 10 rather than 7 or XP.

 

[day_trippr]

I'm investigating installing win XP or 7 in a virtual machine and seeing if the game is playable that way.

I've often wondered if one can get either XP or 7 running in a VM under 11 but have never pursued it. I have a Bentley service manual for my Audi S4 that was written for XP, still worked under W7, but stopped working with W10 and remains unsupported. I'd love to get that working again. Let us know how you make out.

Cheers!

 

[Ozarks Mountain Brewery]

have you guys tried compatibility mode in windows

 

[day_trippr]

I tried it with W10 and it couldn't solve my problem with the Bentley Publishing software, unfortunately.
I now recall I used the Windows 7 "XP Mode" - which I believe was a VM'd stripper XP OS bundled with W7 Pro - to run that software successfully...

Cheers!

 

[Deadalus]

Windows 11 pretty much bricked my work computer. IT was updating it from Windows 10. Will not connect through VPN, doesn't see the network name properly, won't connect on internal network, and won't login by security card or password. It might reimage but it's a five year old desktop and likely getting replaced.

 

[balrog]

it's been quite the journey, including reloading WIn10 on a system but that wasn't sure fire answer either.
I know my situation is a tiny microcosm of unimportance, but jeepers this has been a ride.

 

[balrog]

have you guys tried compatibility mode in windows

Thanks. Yep. Bupkus. Did get it to work, but of all the spaghetti thrown against the wall, I cannot discern the pieces that stuck to make it work.

 

[balrog]

I installed 24H2 and Civ5 stopped working. (no error, it just fails to launch) I posted about it on the civ forum and someone replied thusly:

I don't have a volume license to install LTSC. I rolled 24H2 back to 23H2 and Civ is working again. I assume Fixaris has no intentions of patching a 10yo game. So I'm investigating installing win XP or 7 in a virtual machine and seeing if the game is playable that way. (I experimenting with VMs a few years ago on a different laptop and performance sucked, but this one has a much more modern CPU and more memory so it might work)

I downgraded to Win10, it failed to run, tried a few TPM/SecureBoot/DeleteCaches/Runasadmin and at one point simply chose DirectX9 instead of 10/11/12. I saw it do the "Updating Executable" when it would typically go back to Play and do nothing, then in the same spot saw "Installing VC++ Redistributables" then "Loading DirectX9". Then it ran. So I went to the Win11 24H2 laptop that did not work for Civ5, and chose DirectX9, and it ran.

Apologies to the Win11 folks for , but the Civ Fanatics Forum requires a vetting before allowing me to post there. Carry on. Wayward Son. There'll be raging barbarians when you are done.

 

[balrog]

New development, @day_trippr , something for you to try with that proggy that won't work.

Based on something I read here, I downloaded DirectX9 from here, extracted, ran setup, restarted, and my proggy worked.

Something to consider.

 

[day_trippr]

Congrats! I'll keep that in mind. I'm not sure this service manual thingie uses DirectX though - it's not listed in the minimum requirements...

Cheers!