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My wife and I went out for pizza tonight. There's a nice little place here in our hometown. So I asked our waitress about their beer selection and was told that they no longer sell beer. She said that the owner wanted a more "wholesome", "family" atmosphere and that he wanted to cater more to the "church crowd".

We've been going there for years and I've never seen anyone getting loud or obnoxious. But I find that, at least here in the bible belt, church folks seem to be offended by the sight of someone drinking a beer. Whats the deal?

I don't know how successful the "church crowd" business model will be. It was 7:00pm on a Saturday night and there were only three tables full of people there. Time will tell...

I'm sure we'll continue to eat there. The food/service is good. But, I guess we'll skip it if I'm in the mood for a couple of cold ones.
 

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I'd have told her right there that I'd be coming less often. If possible, I'd have named a competitor that I'd be going to instead.
 

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My "church folks" used to meet me at the local brew pub one night a week for a "suds and spirituality" discussion....then I'd do the same thing the next night at the local coffee house for the AA crowd...I purposely planned the pub night to co-incide with the night that the AA group was using the church...

It was immensely opular with both groups...

Heck at ONE of the churches I interred at as a student, the minister and I would head out to the Ann Arbor Brewing Company, every Sunday after church to "decompress."
 

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Heck, I'd probably have left right there on the spot. If my kind (the kind that likes a beer with dinner) was considered undesirable there, I'd not be inclined to give them my business regardless of how tasty the food is. The dude basically told you that you're not wholesome enough for him.

Probably true of course, but still.
 

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Revvy, big difference between churches in Michigan and churches in the bible belt. When I first moved to North Carolina it took me a while to figure out that you had to go to the ABC store to buy liquor.
 

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Revvy, big difference between churches in Michigan and churches in the bible belt. When I first moved to North Carolina it took me a while to figure out that you had to go to the ABC store to buy liquor.
I kinda figured...especially since they use the word ""belt" to me it implies restriction and punishment...pretty archaic view of things IMHO.


ABC, anyone but Christians???
 

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The idea that you cannot indulge in a few pints and still be one with God has probably been corrupted by the "Bush Light" and "Keystone Light" enthusiasts. AKA the 'get-r-done" and "red neck girl" sticker in window crowd.
 

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Oh one more thing, Revvy the ABC stores don't have drive through windows...... What's a man to do?!?!?!
 

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I remember back in the late 80's when video rental was taking off.

The wife and I wanted to rent some porn but we didn't know where to rent it. Until the day we came across a church group picketing a video rental that rented porn.

I pulled right up, got out, went in an rented a porn tape and on the way out I thanked them for advertising where the porn was.

They got all upset and started shouting at me that the devil was causing me sin. One of them even took down my license plate number like they where really going to do something.

I can still remember that night with the wife.:ban:
 

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It's their choice to sell whatever they want. If it's a stupid idea they'll lose money or bring it back.

No reason to get all offended, don't go if the beer is that important to you. Don't know why you'd get angry though.
 

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I guess these "church folks" seemed to have missed the sermon in which a certain person turned water into wine.
 

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I vote with my dollars. Yes that business owner has every right to sell what he wants, and not sell what he doesn't want to. But, I also have every right to spend my money elsewhere, no hard feelings.....
 

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I guess these "church folks" seemed to have missed the sermon in which a certain person turned water into wine.
People tend to cherry pick their religion of choice for bits that support their existing prejudices.

Nothing new, and honestly I don't see this as even that big of a deal. If it was a church protesting outside a business for selling beer it would be different, but an owner chose not to sell beer... what's the issue?
 

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It's their choice to sell whatever they want. If it's a stupid idea they'll lose money or bring it back.

No reason to get all offended, don't go if the beer is that important to you. Don't know why you'd get angry though.
So when a restaurant you like stops serving beer, the proper response is to proceed quietly and calmly to the next restaurant down the road and be sure not to show any emotion?:drunk:

I'd be disappointed too, but I think the more disappointing thing in this instance is the perception that a family atmosphere and beer cannot exist in the same place.

People tend to cherry pick their religion of choice for bits that support their existing prejudices.
Can be true.

Obviously the owner can do that if he wants, but I don't see anything wrong with kornbread thinking that it sucks.
 

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The Bible doesn't say drinking alcohol is wrong. As a matter of fact, Jesus himself used to drink wine on occasion. The people in this area must be hardcore fundamentalist christians who see drinking alcohol as an addiction, which the Bible does condemn.
 

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If alcohol is incompatible with Christianity, someone might want to let the Trappist monks know...
 

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I guess these "church folks" seemed to have missed the sermon in which a certain person turned water into wine.
Common response being "He's God and you sure aren't."

The Bible doesn't say drinking alcohol is wrong. As a matter of fact, Jesus himself used to drink wine on occasion. The people in this area must be hardcore fundamentalist christians who see drinking alcohol as an addiction, which the Bible does condemn.
Baptists, which make up a large majority of NC especially in the mountain regions, are very much anti drinking. My brother in law lives in a dry county in NC. It's very common.

I can understand a business catering to this crowd. Just wouldn't personally be going.

If alcohol is incompatible with Christianity, someone might want to let the Trappist monks know...
You'll find most Protestant faiths and especially the anti drinking sects don't need to use alcohol as a reason to look down on Catholics. Alcohol is incompatible with their small definition of Christianity.
 

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I'm a southern baptist preacher's kid. Dealt with this anti alcohol thing for quite some time. Funny thing, though, i now send my father bottles of my homebrew and wine for gifts. Doesn't seem to be a problem, as long as it's kept quiet. But if he's in public amongsts the churchy folk then he's right in line with the neo-prohibitionists at the picket line.
Ever heard of a "baptist iced tea"??
 

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My wife and I went out for pizza tonight. There's a nice little place here in our hometown. So I asked our waitress about their beer selection and was told that they no longer sell beer. She said that the owner wanted a more "wholesome", "family" atmosphere and that he wanted to cater more to the "church crowd".

We've been going there for years and I've never seen anyone getting loud or obnoxious. But I find that, at least here in the bible belt, church folks seem to be offended by the sight of someone drinking a beer. Whats the deal?

I don't know how successful the "church crowd" business model will be. It was 7:00pm on a Saturday night and there were only three tables full of people there. Time will tell...

I'm sure we'll continue to eat there. The food/service is good. But, I guess we'll skip it if I'm in the mood for a couple of cold ones.
Probably they lost their license to sell liquor and what you are hearing from them is the spin they put on it to save face.

But anyway you should let them know they have lost you as a customer because of their decision not to sell beer anymore.
 

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I believe completely in freedom of religion and allowing anyone to live by whatever beliefs they want. But when they feel that everyone else has to live by their beliefs, that just pisses me off.
 
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Something tells me the owner of the place prolly let his license lapse or it got revoked.
He's probably just trying to save face by telling everyone he's turning a new leaf.
 

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all the church folks i know/knew were straight up drunks. catholic parish and all. ;)
 

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We've been going there for years and I've never seen anyone getting loud or obnoxious. But I find that, at least here in the bible belt, church folks seem to be offended by the sight of someone drinking a beer. Whats the deal?
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It's called democracy. You have to excercise your rights and either not go there to enjoy a brew with your meal or fight to turn it around to where they will reinstate drinking.
 

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Business is business. They cater to the people they think they need to cater to, and you can go somewhere else. I'm a Christian theologian who comes from and will return to NC, and I make my own beer.
 

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I'd be disappointed too, but I think the more disappointing thing in this instance is the perception that a family atmosphere and beer cannot exist in the same place.
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Kids can totally ruin a decent pub. I like to got to pubs that don't allow them at all when I have none in my group.
 

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Well, the owner can do what he pleases, although, THB, a liquor license is not easy to get even here in MI, so unless he was losing money on the renewal, he probably just lost it for some reason.

Or, he might have had a few of the more vocal members of the community expresseing their disdain for an establishment that serves beer.

At any rate, you are free to talk to him and give him your opinion. Personally, I'm happy that our local Pizza Hut now serves beer, but I wouldn't choose to go there for that reason. (besides, I actually prefer Coke with my pizza, sorry). I'd be more inclined to order out and watch a movie with dinner at home anyway.
 

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Kids can totally ruin a decent pub.
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I go to what I consider a "bar" that serves food. There are a grand total of 12 booths, a large bar, pool tables, darts, and tvs. They serve some great brews and excellent pizza...and they are smoke free. It is awesome...

Except people bring their kids in for dinner, and then the parents hang around (on a Friday night) until at least 9 or 10 pm. I try to watch my language around kids, but when you're out, in a bar atmosphere, drinking lots of tasty beer and having a good time with your friends, it's tough to not let a few "No $hits?" and "what the f*cks" fly. (Not to mention when the kids almost bowl you over in those stupid-a$$ rolling shoes).

Seriously, after 8 pm on a Friday or Saturday night at a bar (in a college town), parents please take your kids home!
 

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People have hangups, plain and simple. The one in question, the consumption of alcohol, is completely misinterpreted from a few lines of the Bible. Actually, now that I think about it, it's probably purposefully misinterpreted....It is easier to pick out a guy drinking a beer and say "sinner" than it is to catch a churchgoer in say a shady business deal. It's all about the check marks on the 'good christian' list rather than reality.
 

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Reminds me of my dad ("church folk"). Guy's never had a full drink in his life. Doctor told him to start drinking a glass of wine at night for his heart and he asks me (his heathen son) if I'd think he was less of a christian for drinking wine...

Of course, he's tried drinking wine but he's only sampled stuff at my grandpas (who's a big Old Milwaukee and jug wine drinker...) so he cant stand the stuff....

I do kinda remember as a kid hearing snarky comments from our table about people drinking at a pizza place...
 

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People have hangups, plain and simple. The one in question, the consumption of alcohol, is completely misinterpreted from a few lines of the Bible. Actually, now that I think about it, it's probably purposefully misinterpreted....It is easier to pick out a guy drinking a beer and say "sinner" than it is to catch a churchgoer in say a shady business deal. It's all about the check marks on the 'good christian' list rather than reality.
There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol from a Christian standpoint. The problem is when it's consumed in excess and that's what's not condoned.
 
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I'm a "church folk" who provides beer, both homebrew and commercial, for many church gatherings. Only the really zealous, evangelical types consider drinking in moderation a sin.

Hell, my parents organized and attended many church dances. When they said they were going to a church dance, I knew that was code for "make sure you pee before bed because your father will be facedown in the bathroom in about five hours."
 
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