whats needed to step up to 10 gallon batches ?

Homebrew Talk - Beer, Wine, Mead, & Cider Brewing Discussion Forum

Help Support Homebrew Talk:

kappclark

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 2, 2006
Messages
1,590
Reaction score
8
Location
Southern VT
I would like to go to 10 gallon batches, maybe in the Spring.

I figure I will need some bigger kettles, a better chiller, and a bigger buner (right now - 55K

any suggestions ? Don't want to spend thousands to do this (!) Hundreds would be better ..want to goto kegging as well (bottling that much is out of the question !

I think I would continus to ferment in buckets (although the stainless fermenter would be cool, but a dream.

Any comments appreciated..
 

EdWort

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2006
Messages
11,894
Reaction score
445
Location
Bee Cave, Texas
I stepped up to 10 gallon batches with a bigger burner and Sanke keggles. I still ferment in Buckets.
 
OP
kappclark

kappclark

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 2, 2006
Messages
1,590
Reaction score
8
Location
Southern VT
Edwort - can u recommend where to get the sanke keggles and the bigger burner ?
 

kenche

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 20, 2007
Messages
307
Reaction score
2
Location
Vancouver, B.C.
I just started doing AG batches, and my first batch was 10 gallons.

All that I bought for this was a keggle from Sabco ($99 + shipping), a shirron plate chiller from morebeer ($89), and a banjo burner from grape and granary ($70).

I already had a large cooler kicking around the house so I swapped the stainless steel braid from a smaller cooler into that one.

I am still fermenting in two pales, and often like pitching different yeasts to see the results.
 
OP
kappclark

kappclark

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 2, 2006
Messages
1,590
Reaction score
8
Location
Southern VT
That is great news ... I have a bigger cooler which I can convert (Thank You Flyguy) ... I already have a 5 gallon, but parts are so cheap, I will convert the bigger one as well...

This is so much less expensive than I imagined ... do I need any pumps to move all this stuff ? The regular keggles don't have a valve, so I have to siphon or pump when cooled ...

comments ?
 

wilserbrewer

BIAB Expert Tailor
HBT Sponsor
Joined
May 25, 2007
Messages
11,256
Reaction score
2,816
Location
New Jersey
You certainly don't need a pump! IMO a pump is a "luxery" item. I like simple brewing methods that "work for me". You can do 10 gallons easily by splitting the volumes into easily liftable quantities. A five gallon bucket w/ a hose shoved thru a hole in the side/bottom (bottling bucket) is a simple five gallon pump. Lots of people do large batches w/out a pump by either a tierred system or lifting partial amounts as they brew.

I'm not at all trying to discourage you from incorporating a pump...some people use pumps...some don't. In theory you could collect a hundred gallons of wort by lifting five gallons twenty times. Sure a pump would be easier...but the forearms and gravity will also work! Siphoning out of a keggle will work fine as well...again a little more labor but the choice is yours.

I would get a kegging system in place prior to ten gallon batches!! IMO kegging is perhaps the biggest labor saver as well as a means to improve quality!! Nothing beats cold conditioning and clear perfectly carbed pours.

Mike
 

the_bird

10th-Level Beer Nerd
Lifetime Supporter
Joined
May 21, 2006
Messages
20,968
Reaction score
597
Location
Adams, MA
What are you using for a burner? I swear that little patio stove I bought at Depot for $45 has more than enough ooomph to handle 10 gallons. It does seven gallons without blinking.
 

kenche

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 20, 2007
Messages
307
Reaction score
2
Location
Vancouver, B.C.
kappclark said:
The regular keggles don't have a valve, so I have to siphon or pump when cooled ...
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. For the first batch, I just siphoned out of the keggle but wasn't too thrilled with the process. I have since purchased a weldless ball valve from morebeer (35$). I also had to purchase a 7/8" hole saw from HD ($12) to install it.)

I would also agree with the previous comment regarding kegging. With 10 gallon batches it becomes more than just a convenience, it is nearly a requirement.

I am sure there are those that do it, but you would never find me bottling 10 gallons of beer.
 

paulthenurse

Fecal Transplant Super Donor
Joined
May 14, 2007
Messages
12,025
Reaction score
2,010
Location
Down by the rivah, Down by the banks of the Rivah
OP
kappclark

kappclark

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 2, 2006
Messages
1,590
Reaction score
8
Location
Southern VT
For tose 20 gallon containers - is there a plm with the headspace ? That won't affect fermentation rate - right ?

If I went with that solution, I would need some kind of hand-truck to move the beer inside after transferring to the fermenter .. (I would brew outside on the porch) .. glad to see they are food grade ! Do you bother to put any kind of airlock in the lid ?

Bird - my burner is a 55K Bayou classic (the same one you got at Depot)

I am not a welder and I won't be able to drill holes in keggles ... are the keggles available with a valve ?
 

the_bird

10th-Level Beer Nerd
Lifetime Supporter
Joined
May 21, 2006
Messages
20,968
Reaction score
597
Location
Adams, MA
Drilling the hole in the keg is easy. I've used a weldless kit from NB ($20 or so), works fine, no leaks. Welding is certainly not a requirement to build a keggle.
 

wilserbrewer

BIAB Expert Tailor
HBT Sponsor
Joined
May 25, 2007
Messages
11,256
Reaction score
2,816
Location
New Jersey
... are the keggles available with a valve ?[/QUOTE]


Keggles are available with just about every imaginable option. Some use "Sabco"... or ebay...I've heard good things about pedalbiker (ebay) or "swagman" on the greenboard (brewboard) seems like a helluva nice guy that does quality work at reasonable prices.

The point here is that nothing is "cheap" and shipping only compounds that problem. Turn key soulutions are available but as most things in life $$$ is required.

Mike
 

the_bird

10th-Level Beer Nerd
Lifetime Supporter
Joined
May 21, 2006
Messages
20,968
Reaction score
597
Location
Adams, MA
Kappclark, if you can get your hands on a keg, I'm more than happy to help you convert it into a keggle. I've got all the tools here that you would need. Easy-peasy.
 
OP
kappclark

kappclark

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 2, 2006
Messages
1,590
Reaction score
8
Location
Southern VT
Bird -

You are your typically generous self ! I will take you up on that offer, and maybe we can have another mini-brew session ...thanks for the offer ..

So I just need the NB kit, and then we (mostly you) can get the valve installed ..

North Adams in the Spring - I am getting ready.
 

BierMuncher

...My Junk is Ugly...
Lifetime Supporter
Joined
Jan 17, 2007
Messages
12,443
Reaction score
932
Location
St. Louis, MO
Just to get started...

Pretty much what you see here.

What you won't find:

Pumps, kettle spigots, false bottoms...

I keep it simple. Use my racking cane to transfer beer. The old five-gallon (turkey fryer) set up is used to heat my water. I ferment in buckets and use carboys for overflow.

10Gallon_Setup.JPG

10Gallon_Setup@.JPG

Whirlpool.jpg

And here's the best part of going to 10-gallon brews...the fermenting chamber is full :ban:

35_gallons.jpg
 
OP
kappclark

kappclark

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 2, 2006
Messages
1,590
Reaction score
8
Location
Southern VT
Didn't know abt Kai's - good news to me ... when in March ? It might be possible for me to make it .. maybe Kai should invite Ray !
 
OP
kappclark

kappclark

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 2, 2006
Messages
1,590
Reaction score
8
Location
Southern VT
Biermuncher - I like the SIMPLE setup ! Why complicate such an important process ! All I need now is a garage ! (But I have a covered porch so almost as good ..

This just keeps getting easier, thx to all the great comments and pics !
 

Latest posts

Top