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I think that's the recipe for many LHBSs to survive: have some kind of joint venture. We'll be seeing more brew suppliers joined at the hip with breweries, grocery stores, liquor stores, etc.

Maybe one with a marijuana dispensary. A true joint venture. :D
I thought about this too a long time ago. Wouldn’t it be cool to have a homebrew store hooked up with a brewery or a beer distributor? (I live in PA, sorry if thats not what its called elsewhere.) I would not go near a pot dispensary but thats me.
 
I had three within a half hour of home. One was a hardware store that had good selection but they lost their lease during Covid and closed. The closest on is currently in the process of closing, trying to get rid of their inventory. They were a large shop that reduced their footprint and opened a brewery in the space. The shop isn't profitable and they want the space for the brewery so that's why they're closing.

The only one left of the three is a 30 minute drive and was the farthest from me. There's also another one a little farther away so I still have options.
 
I thought about this too a long time ago. Wouldn’t it be cool to have a homebrew store hooked up with a brewery or a beer distributor? (I live in PA, sorry if thats not what its called elsewhere.) I would not go near a pot dispensary but thats me.
I recall a few breweries that had home brew supplies available but seems to have become less popular. Not sure the reasons for it's decline. Only one place comes to mind a couple hours from me in Plover Wisconsin.
 
I recall a few breweries that had home brew supplies available but seems to have become less popular. Not sure the reasons for it's decline. Only one place comes to mind a couple hours from me in Plover Wisconsin.
Had - they discontinued the brewshop at the end of last year. But their new pizzeria isn't too shabby.

And I can't blame them. The profit margin on a sack of grain and a pizza probably isn't too different.
 
Had - they discontinued the brewshop at the end of last year. But their new pizzeria isn't too shabby.

And I can't blame them. The profit margin on a sack of grain and a pizza probably isn't too different.
Oh well. I stopped in there a couple years ago and asked about some grain they didn't have in stock. The guy said he could order it but would call and let me know price. Never heard back from him and after a second visit he didn't recall I stopped.

I hope the pizza place fairs better.
 
I bought my first gear from a local store, he closed 2 months later. Then I found some guys in a town I visited for work, they closed a year later. Then I met the brewer at a brewpub 40 miles away and I bought everything there for 10 years. Since we moved 6 years ago I haven't brewed nearly as much, but there is a store in Tucson I can visit on my way to my daughter's house, so that's my new "local" store, 3 hours away.
Having said that, I buy my hops from freshops or Yakima Valley.
 
I always said its such a niche hobby. If you own a pizza store everybody eats pizza. Probably 90% of the population. If you own a homebrew store, you have a handful of customers. One person out of how many thousands brews? A very small percent of the population.

I know when I had my store online competition was already fierce and this was 20 years ago. Can’t tell you how many times somebody came in with a B3 catalog wanting to beat me up because my airlocks were .99 and theirs were .59 or something - what I was buying them for because I bought airlocks 100 at a time, not 25,000 at a time. I can’t tell you how many times people came in and wasted an hour and a half of my time asking questions about 100 things, pulling things out of boxes and stuff then left either without buying anything or buying a cheap pack of dry yeast. Then went home and ordered online because something was .50 cheaper.

The stores have extra problems now besides online competition. Higher gas prices means higher shipping and higher drlivery costs. Bad economy and higher prices means people have less disposable income to spend now,

I had my store for 4 years before I ran out of money and actually had to declare bankruptcy. It was a struggle almost from the beginning. I rarely paid myself, constantly struggled just to pay the stores bills and keep the electricity from being turned off. December was always the best month but it never made up for the dry months. My homebrew club got together on their own and made bulk purchases. The death blow came when a bookstore vacated the giant space next to mine and they put in a gym. All the gluten free Atkins people and they took all the parking so my customers could never park.

This was 20 years ago. I have no reason to believe anything has gotten any better. This is why we have no stores now except for a couple online giants.
 
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If I was inclined to get into that business (and I'm not), the only way I would do HBS would be online. I asked my local guy (who was 70 miles away but only about 5 from work) why he didn't do online and he said he didn't need to. Last time I visited was about a month before he closed at the end of June. He had signs up saying he was closing and I talked to him about it for a while. He said the HBS business had been good to him and he had run one in a couple of different ends of town for 26 years total. Not sure if he had a separate job or a trust fund or what.
I'm not really worried about saving 5 bucks on ingredients for a brew. It's a hobby that I know maybe 2 other people that are into it and I would buy local if I could every time regardless of a few bucks here or there just to have a good place to grab odds and ends, talk shop and get a tank filled. Now I'm SOL and totally online.
BTW - Anybody know of a good place to get a 5 lb CO2 tank filled in the Huntsville to Birmingham area of AL?
 
I was getting my list together for a trip to my LHBS (Alabrew, south of Birmingham) tomorrow and planning to take a bunch of bottles to leave for anybody who needed them. Looked on line and saw that he closed a month or so ago.😞 Closest to me now is about 2 hours away.
That was my local too. I feel yer pain. Where’s the 2 hour one?
 
Website is down

FWIW, I'm currently seeing a "check back daily" message

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I used to have a very local LHBS which I regularly used but that closed down.
Next nearest is a two hour round trip. I costed petrol & it's more than their standard delivery charge (& I can usually order enough for "free" delivery).
So I now order online but from my nearest LHBS!
 
Website is down and inventory not accurate preventing orders from processing. Unless you log in right when it reopens good luck placing any online orders. Sorry to see them close.
I don't know the history of this place but it stated 7+ years in business. Must have had poor timing plus Covid to force them out of business so soon. Sad fate.
 
BTW - Anybody know of a good place to get a 5 lb CO2 tank filled in the Huntsville to Birmingham area of AL?
Ok. Just FYI for anybody looking to get a CO2 tank filled in the Birmingham, AL area. I called around and there are quite a few places that will swap them. Prices vary a lot. I was quoted $32 for a 5 lb swap from Airgas and then $18 for a swap at Gas and Supply - both in Pelham. I'm not trading in my shiny new tank for some grungy old clunker that's been who-knows-where. G&S guy said they filled 'em at the Bham store. I called them and he said they would fill them no problem. Food grade CO2. They are located at 3945 East Lake Blvd ph: 205-841-0713. Over off Tallapoosa behind the airport.

I forgot to ask what it costs to fill, but at this point I'd probably trade a kidney anyway. If it was $18 for a swap in Pelham, I can't imagine it's much more than that. Hope this info is helpful to the local brewing peeps. Maybe everybody already knew this and just weren't coming off with the info. Anyway... if not, now you know.
 
I'm doing my best to keep my LHBS open, South Bay Brewing Supply, but life is really in the way of brewing atm. Dan also brews for a local brewpub on his day off. Gotta stay in business somehow.
 
Ok. Just FYI for anybody looking to get a CO2 tank filled in the Birmingham, AL area. I called around and there are quite a few places that will swap them. Prices vary a lot. I was quoted $32 for a 5 lb swap from Airgas and then $18 for a swap at Gas and Supply - both in Pelham. I'm not trading in my shiny new tank for some grungy old clunker that's been who-knows-where. G&S guy said they filled 'em at the Bham store. I called them and he said they would fill them no problem. Food grade CO2. They are located at 3945 East Lake Blvd ph: 205-841-0713. Over off Tallapoosa behind the airport.

I forgot to ask what it costs to fill, but at this point I'd probably trade a kidney anyway. If it was $18 for a swap in Pelham, I can't imagine it's much more than that. Hope this info is helpful to the local brewing peeps. Maybe everybody already knew this and just weren't coming off with the info. Anyway... if not, now you know.
I just went there and got both my 5 lb and 2.5 lb tanks filled. Total was $16.90 including the 3% fee for using plastic instead of cash.

Kind of a convoluted process. You go into the "showroom" w/o your tanks and pay. They don't like it if you are putting the tanks in the occupied area of a vehicle, so you want to do trunk of the car or back of the truck somehow - at least until you are filled and ready to leave. I was in a cargo van and that seemed to satisfy their safety paranoia somewhat. Then you take your receipt and go thru an automated gate into the yard behind the shop. Stop at the first roll-up door around the back and give the guy your tanks and ticket. He fills them and hands them back all frosty. You gotta drive back out the automatic gate which takes a minute to react when you pull up to it. Not sure if it's actually automatic or if somebody has to notice you want out and hit the button. Watch out for speeding forklifts.
 
I wish I had that option. The only one I can find near me is an Airgas place that only swaps out tanks I think I paid close to 35 to 40 bucks for a 5 gallon tank. I wish I could find a place close that would just refill the one I have. But, I guess that is the best I can do for now.
 
I wish I had that option. The only one I can find near me is an Airgas place that only swaps out tanks I think I paid close to 35 to 40 bucks for a 5 gallon tank. I wish I could find a place close that would just refill the one I have. But, I guess that is the best I can do for now.

Kind of like the Blue Rhino propane tank exchange. No way I'm swapping my new 20 lb. tank that came with the new grill for one of theirs. However, I do swap when I have an old tank that just passed its recert date. The guy at Home Despot doesn't look and doesn't care, and Blue Rhino refurbs those anyway.
 
Kind of like the Blue Rhino propane tank exchange. No way I'm swapping my new 20 lb. tank that came with the new grill for one of theirs. However, I do swap when I have an old tank that just passed its recert date. The guy at Home Despot doesn't look and doesn't care, and Blue Rhino refurbs those anyway.
For propane the local gas station fills your existing tank. I like that because I always seem to have a little left and feel stupid giving it to them when I swap out tanks. I need to see if I can find a place close by to fill CO2 instead of just do a swap.
 
Kind of like the Blue Rhino propane tank exchange. No way I'm swapping my new 20 lb. tank that came with the new grill for one of theirs. However, I do swap when I have an old tank that just passed its recert date. The guy at Home Despot doesn't look and doesn't care, and Blue Rhino refurbs those anyway.
I read somewhere that the propane tank exchange places only partially fill the tanks anyway. To like 70%. I go to the local U-Haul to get propane.
 
I think the percentage of fill for propane tanks is 80% to allow for expansion.
I know there has to be room for expansion but what I mean is the exchange places don't fill the tanks as full as they are allowed. Maybe not all but that's what I read somewhere.
 
I know there has to be room for expansion but what I mean is the exchange places don't fill the tanks as full as they are allowed. Maybe not all but that's what I read somewhere.
Wouldn't surprise me.

Not-so CSB: Several years ago I had a 20 lb tank filled at U-Haul. I loaded it in the back end of my suv, bungeed it so it wouldn't tip. As I was driving home I heard a loud hiss and I could smell the gas. I pulled over, shut off the engine, and threw the tank into the ditch to keep the escaping gas a distance from the roadway.

Once it stopped purging I took it back to U-Haul. The guy argued that I must've mishandled the tank, but I told him it was properly secured in an upright position and that his employee likely over-filled it. The opd overfill valve did its job; it just happened at a bad time.

The guy offered to refill it but I said I didn't want to make the same mistake twice, so he just refunded my money.

I've since been taking them to a little propane dealer that also sells gas grills. They carefully weigh each tank and never a problem.
 
Wouldn't surprise me.

Not-so CSB: Several years ago I had a 20 lb tank filled at U-Haul. I loaded it in the back end of my suv, bungeed it so it wouldn't tip. As I was driving home I heard a loud hiss and I could smell the gas. I pulled over, shut off the engine, and threw the tank into the ditch to keep the escaping gas a distance from the roadway.

Once it stopped purging I took it back to U-Haul. The guy argued that I must've mishandled the tank, but I told him it was properly secured in an upright position and that his employee likely over-filled it. The opd overfill valve did its job; it just happened at a bad time.

The guy offered to refill it but I said I didn't want to make the same mistake twice, so he just refunded my money.

I've since been taking them to a little propane dealer that also sells gas grills. They carefully weigh each tank and never a problem.
Could have been a very bad situation. Could have been an over fill valve failure if it was able to get over filled. The overfill valve is supposed to shut off the filling of the tank so it isn't overfilled. Some people store their grilles and/or propane tanks in their attached garage even though they shouldn't.
 
I know there has to be room for expansion but what I mean is the exchange places don't fill the tanks as full as they are allowed. Maybe not all but that's what I read somewhere.
Weigh them. Otherwise you are guessing.

I guarantee that I have lost more CO2 from sloppy line management than I will ever be screwed out of by unscrupulous vendors.
 
As for CO2, I haven't been able to find anyone near me who fills on site. But when I took my shiny new aluminum 5 lb tank to the local Linde, they swapped it for an equally shiny aluminum tank with a more recent hydro test date.
 
My HBS is not very L. I have to drive over an hour. I don't make special trips, but I have tried to arrange to pick things up on occasions when I had to be in town for other reasons. I also place big mail orders to make shipping more cost-effective.

I never buy grain anywhere else, because these people are very cheap, and they will allow you to choose any amounts you like. On the other hand, they sold me some brown hops once, so now I only buy hops online.

As for online prices vs. real stores, I just bought a propane deep fryer. I was trying to make myself not buy one, but I had to go to the local Ace for toilet bolts, and this store has no end of barbecue stuff. They sell Big Green Eggs, for example. I got weak and checked to see if they had the fryer I wanted, and unfortunately, they did. Price? Amazon plus about 5%, and it was already assembled. No worries about UPS using the box for a football.

Of course, it's on my patio now.
 
I just went there and got both my 5 lb and 2.5 lb tanks filled. Total was $16.90 including the 3% fee for using plastic instead of cash.

Kind of a convoluted process. You go into the "showroom" w/o your tanks and pay. They don't like it if you are putting the tanks in the occupied area of a vehicle, so you want to do trunk of the car or back of the truck somehow - at least until you are filled and ready to leave. I was in a cargo van and that seemed to satisfy their safety paranoia somewhat. Then you take your receipt and go thru an automated gate into the yard behind the shop. Stop at the first roll-up door around the back and give the guy your tanks and ticket. He fills them and hands them back all frosty. You gotta drive back out the automatic gate which takes a minute to react when you pull up to it. Not sure if it's actually automatic or if somebody has to notice you want out and hit the button. Watch out for speeding forklifts.
Don’t be too critical of safety “paranoia.”

About 15 years ago I routinely went to a local outlet of a major gas supplier to get my bottles filled. They’d check the tare weight or the bottle, put it on an industrial scale and fill it to the weight of the gas. As I said, they did ‘industrial’ fills of virtually every gas imaginable in any capacity tank, even mixed gases if you wanted beer gas or nitrogen. They also did bottle exchange, but I was jealously possessive of my shiny aluminum tanks, especially my 5 lb one. They usually didn’t have 5# available for exchange unless you called ahead anyway, and were willing to wait a day or two to get one from the central distribution center. They’d always be heavy, ugly steel ones anyway.

So one day I load up my truck (king cab configuration) with my empty 5#er strapped in, drive 12 miles to the gas distributor, leave the bottle on the loading dock and head inside to pay. By the time I get back, the loader has my bottle filled and ready to go.

Looking back on the incident, there’s a bit of cryptic foreshadowing. He jokes about the aluminum bottle being so small and so light that the gas filler hoses and mechanism probably weighs more than the CO2 bottle. Obviously he’s more frequently filling those huge steel tanks mounted on roller wheels.

Anyway, it’s a hot summer day and I’m anxious to get home and hook up the gas to the kegerator and have a frosty one. I strap the bottle in the back seat and head on down the highway. A few minutes later I’m cruising down the Interstate in moderate traffic when suddenly there’s a muffled ’pop’ and the cab is engulfed in a fog. Immediately I “four-ganged” the electric windows to “Open,”correctly analyzing that the over-pressure frangible disk had burst and dumped all the CO2 into the enclosed space. At 70 MPH. In moderately heavy traffic.

The fog quickly cleared, and the CO2 induced ’brain fog’ was dissipating, and I’d somehow maintained not only control of my pickup but my lane as well, without loosing my wits, my consciousness or my life.

Gaseous CO2 is not considered HAZMAT, but although not toxic it is more readily absorbed in the blood stream and will displace oxygen. In a confined environment it can result in loss of consciousness. Luckily, disaster averted.

The cause was over-filling on a hot day, as well as my transporting it in an enclosed space. Had it been a bigger bottle (10# or 20#), and had I been in a regular sized pickup cab, the outcome may have been quite different. Although CO2 (unlike CO) won’t kill you outright, it can cause unconsciousness and eventual suffocation. It is odorless and tasteless (as is CO), and needs to be handled and stored and transported in a well ventilated space. Maybe in a car, with all the windows rolled down? You decide.

I’ve since switched to bottle exchange rather than refilling for not only my 5# ‘portable’ but also my 10 and 20 pounders. Plus, the outlet no longer does on-site refilling.
 
FWIW I just happen to have a "full" Blue Rhino tank, so I weighed it. 16.375 lbs net. 82%.
All new tanks, as well as refurbished ones, have over-pressure fill valves that won’t allow filling in excess of 80%. That’s to avoid expansion due to thermal increase in the gas.

Even my RV propane tank will only fill to 80% of capacity. When I fill in the morning, the gauge reads 80%. By midday it reads 82~83% due to expansion and increased internal pressure.
 
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