Two Brothers Cane and Ebel recipe help

[Dolomieu]

I posted this on my local club forum too. Just curious if there is anything major i may have over looked. I know there are other interpretation of this beer out there but the IBU's usually seem off. One listed in the beersmith cloud was over 100 IBU's.

So if you are a fan of Cane & Ebel and search for leads to a clone you will
probably find the same post i have been. This post is in several forums and
looks a bit like this:

Pils Munich 3%
Crystal 10 8%
Rye 12%
Crystal Rye 3%
Melinoidan (Aromatic will work) 3%
Black Malt less than 1% for color

First wort hop with Summit and Columbus 40 IBU
30 minutes left with Summit 12 IBU
25 minutes left with Columbus 8.5 IBU
20 minutes left with Simcoe 7 IBU
Dryhop with Simcoe about .3 oz/gallon

Thai Palm Sugar added before start of boil. (.15 lbs / gallon)

Mash mid 150's
Boil 75 minutes
target starting gravity 1.072

So This is what I came up with for my 10gal batch i want to brew before leaving
town:

Ingredients
16 lbs 8.0 oz Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM)64.7 %
3 lbs Rye, Flaked (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 11.8 %
2 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) 7.8 %
12.0 oz Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM) 2.9 %
12.0 oz Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) 2.9 %
12.0 oz Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) 2.9 %
4.0 oz Black Malt - 2-Row (Briess) (500.0 SRM) 1.0 %
1 lbs 8.0 oz (Jagger) Thai Palm sugar (10.0 SRM) 5.9 %


@ 75min 1.00 oz Columbus [14.00 %] - Boil 75.0 min 20.7 IBUs
@ 75min 1.00 oz Summit [17.00 %] - Boil 75.0 min 25.2 IBUs
@ 30min 0.50 oz Summit [17.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min 10.2 IBUs
@ 25min 0.50 oz Columbus [14.00 %] - Boil 25.0 min 7.6 IBUs
@ 20min 0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 20.0 min 5.6 IBUs
@ Dry 3.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Days

Est Original Gravity: 1.071 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.017 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 7.1 %
Bitterness: 69.2 IBUs
Est Color: 12.5 SRM

Any thoughts, suggestions or comments? I'm not a huge fan of clones but i do
really like this beer and I like to do a clone when i'm treading into new
territory. I have not used rye before, so i'm using this as an introduction to
that. The amounts and types of rye are what i'm most concerned with. I will most
likely use rice hulls in this mash because of the flaked malt.

 

[Dolomieu]

I'm splitting and using us-05 and either denny's fav or wlp001 or 051

 

[chuckstout]

I have only done two rye ales. but, my question is why use more flaked rye then standard rye malt? Rice hulls are a good idea also.

 

[Dolomieu]

It's funny you should ask, as that has been the most vexing part for me. I guess i thought what they meant by Rye was flaked and by crystal rye as rye malt. Think i got it wrong?

That being said when looking around it seems what your are getting at is what most people do. Less flaked and more rye malt.

I may have to change that.

 

[chuckstout]

I dont know the answer, but maybe the flaked rye will add more body, maybe better clarity hmm ill try to do some research tonight.

 

[chuckstout]

The only thing that I find is that if you swap the flaked with the malted rye you might produce a touch more rye flavor. Other than that if you already have the ingredients I would just stick with what you got.

 

[Dolomieu]

Thats what i have been reading too. I don't have the ingredients yet so i am going to make that change. I'll edit the op eventually.

Thanks Chuck

 

[formula2fast]

Email them. Jason Ebel (1 of the two brothers) usually gives out the recipes for their beers. He gave me the exact recipe for Hop Juice that I will be brewing soon.

 

[RUNningonbrew]

I've made this exact clone before and I used crystal rye, no other rye. I couldn't find Thai palm sugar, so I used coconut palm sugar. Everything else in the recipe looks good though I think you'll enjoy it

 

[Dolomieu]

Thanks guys,
The percent setup above is from two brothers. I have learned that there is such a thing as crystal rye. When I visited my brewing Yoda, he enlightened me. So i won't be using flaked rye. 3% crystal and 12% rye malt is what i plan on using. I'm also going to to use 2 lbs of palm sugar since i have it. The Asian market here in town are the best place for that.

I still may email them this morning and see if i get a response before running to pick up everything else after work.

 

[Dolomieu]

BTW, this beer is really good. It came out a bit dark but it's very well balance and full of flavor.