Tryhard IPA #6 (Recipe and process check for NEIPA)

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Wazup1984

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Hi Guys,

I just ordered the ingredients for a NEIPA and would like you to confirm what I am planning to do.

This is my 6th try to get a NEIPA as I had them in the states. The other trys where drinkable but had a very harsh hop burn or bitter off flavor to them. Also the "fruit punch" was only on the nose, not on the tongue, even tho I massively dry hoped. I'll mark steps which are new to this try, so you guys can figure out what I changed.

5 gal batch @ 1066 gravity 2:1 chloride / sulfate
76% Marris Otter
13% flaked oats
11% weat

whirlpool:
3,5 oz mosaic
2,5 oz citra

dry hop:
5 oz mosaic
5 oz citra

mash at:
150° for 60 min
162° for 20 min
172° mashout

- boil for 30 min // was boiling 60min
- Whirlpool at 176°, add hops with muslim bags for 20 minutes.
- Ferment at 86° with Voss Kveik // new yeast, used verdant before
- Softcrash to 50° after fermentation is done // dry hoped at "room temp" without soft crash, this is the step I hope that will improve the beer the most
- Dry hop for 1 Day with loose hops at 59° // see above
- Cold crash to 33°
- Keg and carbonate

- regarding oxygen, I am using the Fermzilla with a pressure kit, so the co2 from the beer "pushes" sanitizer out of a Keg so there is only co2 in the keg after fermentation. In this keg I will transfer the beer after dry hop is finished

I hope this process will provide me with a beer with less "hop material bitterness" and more fruit flavors to taste, not only to smell.

Thank you for any input!

Greetings,
Robert
 
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What kind of water are you using? I’ve had tap water give me the same results you are having, it may not be your process.
 

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I don't really know what to advise you, but I'm curious why you are waiting till whirlpool to add any hops. I know you are trying to not have a bitter taste come out so strong in the finished product, but that might be working against you by not adding some of the Citra earlier in the boil or another bittering hop.
 
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Kalzium: 141.1 mg/l
Magnesium: 17.9 mg/l
Sulfat: 62.7 mg/l
Chlorid: 132.1 mg/l
Natrium: 9.8 mg/l

After adding salts.
The overall mouthfeel of the beers always have been good tho..
 
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I don't really know what to advise you, but I'm curious why you are waiting till whirlpool to add any hops. I know you are trying to not have a bitter taste come out so strong in the finished product, but that might be working against you by not adding some of the Citra earlier in the boil or another bittering hop.
There is no bittering / boil addition with NEIPAs. Due to the massive whirlpool hops, the beer will be bitter enough.
 

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There is no bittering / boil addition with NEIPAs. Due to the massive whirlpool hops, the beer will be bitter enough.
The NEIPA I've done and the NEIPA recipes I've looked at must not be real NEIPA recipes then. They had hops added during the boil. Some right from the start. All at 15 till flameout.
 

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You can hop whenever you want for a Neipa. Doesn't change the style of beer unless you're making a bitter bomb, I guess. Soft bitterness and hazy appearance with a soft, often time thick mouthfeel. Some people still do 60 min bittering, then 20, 10, 5, flameout additions (or some combo of those). But the largest addition is typically flameout/whirlpool and the dry hop.
 
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