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Before my basement gets too hot, I am going to do a test batch of a dessert stout I recall fondly before I was diagnosed with celiac. Based on how this turns out, I plan on brewing it again in September so that I can give it out as holiday gifts. The beer I am going to try and clone is this one from Treehouse - Human Condition.

Here is the grain bill I think will get the flavor profile, but I'm not sure how to control the flavor sequence on the palate, if that makes sense. In the description the flavor is, Chocolate & Coconut > Creamy Coffee > Caramel.

5 lbs Pale Millet Malt
5 lbs Biscuit Rice 4L
2 lbs Toasted coconut
1 lbs Caramel Millet Malt
1 lbs Lactose
0.6 lbs Gas Hog Rice Millet
0.5 lbs Dark Rice Millet
0.5 lbs Dark Millet Malt
2oz Northern Brewer Hops
1 sachet Safale S-04 yeast

Thoughts?
 

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Ahhhh, I miss drinking TH brews on the reg (I'm only 45 min away). I've never had this one though.

Anyway imo, the dark rice, gas hog and dark millet are redundant and they will sway to a more acrid flavor. I highly recommend 240L millet for color and a richer/smoother chocolate flavor along with a bit of 1 of the dark grains you have listed. I really like the 120L too, but not sure if you want rhat dark fruit note in the mix. I would also recommend a good amount of buckwheat or roasted buckwheat for body (beta glucans FTW!).
 
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Ahhhh, I miss drinking TH brews on the reg (I'm only 45 min away). I've never had this one though.

Anyway imo, the dark rice, gas hog and dark millet are redundant and they will sway to a more acrid flavor. I highly recommend 240L millet for color and a richer/smoother chocolate flavor along with a bit of 1 of the dark grains you have listed. I really like the 120L too, but not sure if you want rhat dark fruit note in the mix. I would also recommend a good amount of buckwheat or roasted buckwheat for body (beta glucans FTW!).

Thanks for the heads up on the buckwheat i'll add some for sure. I've been to the Treehouse brewery twice, each time was a joy. I've read that the Treehouse brewers do a 2 hour boil w/ 7 gallons worth of wort. Im going to give that a try on this batch.
 
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@skleice i should have also asked, would you keep the Caramel Millet I originally listed or would the 240L totally replace it?
 

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Love that beer!! I know Burial near me does a 6 hour boil for their 15% super thick stouts. You probably don't want to do 6 hours....but I think starting with 2-3 hours like you mentioned would be worth it. I've also seen them mention using dark candy sugars in almost every one of them, so that might be something to consider.

Not sure on your batch size but maybe use 2 packets of s04?

Edit - definitely let us know how this goes, I'm very interested in making a stout in this vein
 
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Yesterday I had the chance to make the Samoas, or Caramel Delight, stout from Treehouse Brewing. If this beer tastes half as good as it was fun to make its going to be a regular in the rotation. The entire house smelled like Caramel Delight cookies while this was brewing. Below is the grain bill, adjusted based on Skleice's suggestions.

For the cocunut, Weldworks has a youtube video where they suggest roasting coconut at 400 degrees in 4 minute batches. After seeing how much toasting occurred during the first 4 minute run in the oven, I only did a 3 minute second run. What a fun beer to make.

5 lbs Pale Millet Malt
5 lbs Biscuit Rice 4L
2 lbs Toasted coconut
1.35 lbs Roasted Buckwheat
1 lbs Caramel 240L Millet Malt
1 lbs Caramel Millet Malt
0.6 lbs Gas Hog Rice Millet
0.5 lbs Lactose
2oz Northern Brewer Hops
2 sachet Safale S-04 yeast
 

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Can't wait to see how it turns out! I may have to give this a try...
Thanks man, I'm really excited to try these as well. Having never added sugar to my beers, I decided to go with only half a pound of lactose so hopefully I'll end up with a creamy thickish stout. Now I just need to find another type of dessert stout to try.
 
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Can confirm this beer is delicious. The flavor sequence is subtle coconut, caramel, coffee and ends with milk chocolate. I'm going to brew this again for sure. and The things I'll do next time is to add more creaminess, full pound of milk sugar and will use munich millet instead of pale millet. The finish is dry and i think thats due to the pale millet. All is all its a delicious beer, happy with how this turned out.
 

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I decided I wanted to get another round of experience on this beer before making it as Christmas gifts. Switched up the grain bill this time;

5 lbs Munich Millet Malt
5 lbs Biscuit Rice 4L
2 lbs Toasted coconut
1.35 lbs Roasted Buckwheat
1 lbs Caramel 240L Millet Malt
1 lbs Caramel Millet Malt
0.6 lbs Gas Hog Rice Millet
1.0 lbs Lactose
2oz Northern Brewer Hops
2 sachet Safale S-04 yeast

This batch is noticeably lighter and very sweet, in hindsight I think 0.75 lbs lactose and a 50/50 split between pale and munich millets will make this a bomb stout, which it already is.
 

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You are a brewing machine! I am waiting for the superheat of Florida summer to subside before brewing again. It will take a few months for this one to condition into its sweet spot I expect, so November/December will be perfect.
 

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Wondering if the lactose gave you a thicker mouthfeel as that's the biggest missing piece I find with GF stouts is that they're always super thin mouthfeel.
 
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Wondering if the lactose gave you a thicker mouthfeel as that's the biggest missing piece I find with GF stouts is that they're always super thin mouthfeel.
It certainly helped make it thicker but the 2 hr long boil I think is more responsible for the thickness.
 
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