The San Diego area thread

[Sage1]

#tshirtidea ?

https://www.redbubble.com/people/riverartdesign/works/23538448-everything-is-awesome

 

[Sebowski1]

You've gotta be bat-**** crazy to open up a new brewery in this current beer climate.

Word.

The Hopnonymous business model is interesting - the thought of a white-label craft brewery is pretty cool. But I have to think that most restaurants/hospitality groups won't pay the presumed premium for their "own" beer that may be marginally better (or even worse) than, say, the Karl Strauss they have on tap.

Yeah I think that idea will work with the right quality, price points, and sales staff. Bars aren't paying a premium for white label beers right now. Quite the opposite I'm pretty sure. Mission and Melvin are making aot of white label beers. Firestone did it for a long time. For a lot of these breweries they can be loss leaders to get other handles. It gives them price posting flexibility too.

The weird part of this particular model is that when you white label/brand a batch for a retailer, the retailer then owns it. The brewery can't serve it themselves. Legally anyway. Not that anyone cares...

 

[rcubed1]

Yeah I think that idea will work with the right quality, price points, and sales staff. Bars aren't paying a premium for white label beers right now. Quite the opposite I'm pretty sure. Mission and Melvin are making aot of white label beers. Firestone did it for a long time. For a lot of these breweries they can be loss leaders to get other handles. It gives them price posting flexibility too.

The weird part of this particular model is that when you white label/brand a batch for a retailer, the retailer then owns it. The brewery can't serve it themselves. Legally anyway. Not that anyone cares...

Actually that’s what got On The Tracks in trouble and lead to their fortunate demise.

 

[arren]

Yeah I think that idea will work with the right quality, price points, and sales staff. Bars aren't paying a premium for white label beers right now. Quite the opposite I'm pretty sure. Mission and Melvin are making aot of white label beers. Firestone did it for a long time. For a lot of these breweries they can be loss leaders to get other handles. It gives them price posting flexibility too.

The weird part of this particular model is that when you white label/brand a batch for a retailer, the retailer then owns it. The brewery can't serve it themselves. Legally anyway. Not that anyone cares...

Right, I have to imagine places like Mission and Melvin are making white labels at a reasonable price - but that's not all they do. When your entire business model is founded upon white labeling, I have to imagine that comes with a premium. I also doubt that a boutique brewery like that would want to make loss leaders either.

 

[chemman141]

Yeah I think that idea will work with the right quality, price points, and sales staff. Bars aren't paying a premium for white label beers right now. Quite the opposite I'm pretty sure. Mission and Melvin are making aot of white label beers. Firestone did it for a long time. For a lot of these breweries they can be loss leaders to get other handles. It gives them price posting flexibility too.

The weird part of this particular model is that when you white label/brand a batch for a retailer, the retailer then owns it. The brewery can't serve it themselves. Legally anyway. Not that anyone cares...

Which is odd since FW white labeled 805 and still sold 805

 

[rcubed1]

Easy for a brewery to do a white label beer and then still sell a version of it as their own. It's what FW did with the Mission beers. The Mission beers to my knowledge were not dry-hopped either at all or as much so they are technically different beers.

 

[Sebowski1]

The recipe can be the same so yeah, it's easy to pull off. Technically the entire batch of one should be separate from the other, but that's near impossible to prove.

 

[DannyFullpint]

Mission STREET.

 

[rcubed1]

Mission STREET.

So sorry for your loss.


I used to buy them all the time as well. RIP

 

[arren]

rcubed, took your rec on the TJ's pils, and I am impressed - especially for $6 a sixer. This might be a daily driver this season.

 

[riko1]

I thought the production info Peter Rowe had in this morning's paper was pretty interesting. I knew MT was having mad growth but didn't realize Belching Beav was growing so much and I kind of thought Stone was on the decline. Meanwhile, not a good sign that AleSmith is stagnant...

By Peter Rowe

July 11, 2019
5 AM
The best of years, the worst of years, the so-so of years: that San Diego beer in 2018. Recently released production figures reveal an uneven year with winners, losers and breweries that held steady.

Winners:

Stone. Escondido powerhouse eked out a 3 percent increase over 2017; its 400,000 barrels means Stone remains the county’s largest brewery and the nation’s ninth largest.

Modern Times. Fast-growing brewery enjoyed an increase of 41 percent, making 51,468 barrels.

Saint Archer. A 21 percent year-over-year rise makes it No. 4 in the county, with 55,000 barrels.

Belching Beaver. Up 68 percent, to 30,250 barrels.

Losers:

Ballast Point. Fell 15 percent in ’18, yet remains the county’s second largest brewery at 320,000 barrels.

Green Flash. A year of retrenchment saw a 37 percent drop, down to 45,345 barrels.

So-so:

Karl Strauss. A 2 percent gain in ’18 took it to 83,654 barrels, making it No. 3 in the county and No. 40 in the U.S.

AleSmith. Ended 2018 exactly where it had in 2017: 35,000 barrels.

The county’s Top 10 breweries, in order: 1. Stone (400,000 barrels), 2. Ballast Point (320,000); 3. Karl Strauss (83,654); 4. Saint Archer (55,000); 5. Modern Times (51,468); 6. Green Flash (45,345); 7. Mother Earth (40,000); 8. Coronado (39,022); 9. Pizza Port-Bressi Rranch (37,290); 10. AleSmith (35,000).

 

[Sebowski1]

Music and beer peeps. I have a cool event at Sidecar tonight. Paring beer with concert films. 8pm we'll be showing a Sonic Youth show paired with our Fuzz Pedal Hazy IPA for $5 a pint. 9:30 Jane's Addiction $5 Pig Nose Pale pints. Doing this once a month. Next month is Rolling Stones and Queen. They stream them on all 10 of their TVs, plus the back wall is a mirror so you are surrounded by the concert. It's a really cool event.

I think that's my first shameless plug on here....

 

[rcubed1]

I thought the production info Peter Rowe had in this morning's paper was pretty interesting. I knew MT was having mad growth but didn't realize Belching Beav was growing so much and I kind of thought Stone was on the decline. Meanwhile, not a good sign that AleSmith is stagnant...

If you haven't been to Beaver Oceanside then you wouldn't realize how giant of a facility they have there. Plus they have acquired another building there. Their old canning line is now at Pub 980 so expect more 16 oz 4-packs of specialty beers to be coming out more often.

But yeah, I would predicted a slight decline in Stone. But their Tropic of Thunder lager is probably the best new beer they've had in awhile.

Surprised that Karl didn't gain much but I'm wondering if they are maxed out. Saw they put in a new outdoor pad for tanks.

 

[DannyFullpint]

It’s interesting seeing Mother Earth on there. I assumed a good chunk of their production was in Idaho.

 

[reidjoshua1]

PSA: Party cup is still on tap. $4.5 for 16oz during hh ain't too shabby.

 

[Tyrsis]

PSA: Party cup is still on tap. $4.5 for 16oz during hh ain't too shabby.

Kelsey needs to find a way to put 20 racks of that **** at Costco or something, I swear

 

[rcubed1]

Kelsey needs to find a way to put 20 racks of that **** at Costco or something, I swear

Sold! I'll take two.

 

[rcubed1]

I know it’s pils weather but it’s also witbier weather. Allagash White FTW!

 

[arren]

I know it’s pils weather but it’s also witbier weather. Allagash White FTW!

Looking at kingg's newest newsletter, I'm so glad that gose season is no longer a thing - but I'm still secretly hoping grisette season rolls by one of these summers

 

[Sage1]

[…] I'm still secretly hoping grisette season rolls by one of these summers

I have been desperate for several years now for somebody to come out with a 4 pack of a reasonably good grisette.

 

[Tyrsis]

Looking at kingg's newest newsletter, I'm so glad that gose season is no longer a thing - but I'm still secretly hoping grisette season rolls by one of these summers

I miss those Westbrook key lime goses tho

 

[rcubed1]

Gose never really caught on here. I’d like to see witbier make more of a comeback. Keep the coriander very restrained and play around with different types of citrus. It’s also hazy so it should sell, right?

 

[reidjoshua1]

Gose never really caught on here. I’d like to see witbier make more of a comeback. Keep the coriander very restrained and play around with different types of citrus. It’s also hazy so it should sell, right?

I haven't tried it but Whitney brewston is on tap at npbc.

 

[souredstouts]

Gose never really caught on here. I’d like to see witbier make more of a comeback. Keep the coriander very restrained and play around with different types of citrus. It’s also hazy so it should sell, right?

If there is one thing I'm ok with dying it's witbier, hefs, and anything else made with that yeast strain. Even some saison can get bent because of those flavors.

Now, Gose, I'm into that.

 

[Sebowski1]

Looking at kingg's newest newsletter, I'm so glad that gose season is no longer a thing - but I'm still secretly hoping grisette season rolls by one of these summers

I have been desperate for several years now for somebody to come out with a 4 pack of a reasonably good grisette.

We have a good grisette on tap. No one cares....

 

[kingg]

What's the saying, "Saison, Stays On"? As in, nobody wants 'em.

 

[Sebowski1]

What's the saying, "Saison, Stays On"? As in, nobody wants 'em.

Yup. Old Firestone dude has a great anecdote about this. Everyone would go to him and say "OMG! I loved DBA! I can't believe they don't make it anymore!" and he would ask "when is the last time you bought a 6 pack?"

What people say they like and what they actually support are very different.

 

[souredstouts]

Went and had some Party Cup. Yep, it's awesome. Also, love the glass. Had the Alesmith Eight Cylinder while in NP, it was wonderful as well.

 

[arren]

We have a good grisette on tap. No one cares....

Yeah, it's been made clear repeatedly that my tastes generally don't align with what's en vogue with the general public.

Still, when I see a grisette on tap at a tasting room/bar, that's almost always the first thing I order. Only problem is that I don't go to tasting rooms/bars anymore, so if it's not in bottles/cans, then *shrug*

 

[Sebowski1]

See: just putting a grisette in here killed this thread.