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The comments are funny - and sad. Talking about a state seceeding isn't treason, nor does it make you a terrorist. I'm a Texan, and a veteran, and there's a lot about the thought of TX seceeding that is appealing to me. And believe it or not, there's a lot of people here who would support it. I'm not talking about an armed revolt, but a political one. Some people say the civil war settled the issue once and for all, but I'm not so sure. I'm glad we abolished slavery, but that's not all the civil war was about. I think what the North did was wrong and against the whole idea of a union.
 
There's always been a lot of talk in Vermont about succeeding, some with tongue in cheek and some not. Palin's husband seemed to be involved for a time with a group that was STRONGLY advocating for Alaska's succession.

I suspect there's a lot of Vermonters whose response to Texas wanting to succeed will be - DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS ON THE WAY OUT! (and if Vermont left, I'm sure lots of Texans would feel the same ;)).
 
WTF!!! I am so sick of Chuck Norris and his moronic fundamentalist ramblings. His John Adams quote shows exactly what a f-tard he really is. The quote is actually from John Quincy Adams, John Adams' son. Do a little research Chuck. Stop depending on your fundamentalist buddies at WND to supply you with the right material.

If Texas wants to leave and wants a religious government run by a b-movie actor, then let them. I wish that I could succeed to my own private island in the Caribbean. I am really beginning to hate all people.
 
This would be a great idea. I like the thought of having all the far right whacko ditto heads united in one place, in their own little heaven, to dictate their religious dogma laws onto people who are asking to be controlled by demagogues. Having their own country to control all commerce, actions and thoughts will allow this country to live free from their arrogant, elitist, radical right wing rhetoric.

Take Glen Beck, Boss Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Mel Gibson and all the rest, with you. I presume that international relations will not be desired as the protectionist mantra that makes you feel far superior to other Americans may prevent you from doing anything even resembling diplomacy. Don't call us, we won't call you.

Just don't ask to come back. :mug:
 
The day that one state decides and succeeds in leaving the union might as well mark the beginning of the end for the USA. It is so unfortunate that some Americans have gotten to the point where they would rather give up and walk away instead of being more proactive in fixing what is broken.

That really is the problem with a lot of us, myself included. We complain about this, that, etc... We post a bazillion times a day in the debate forum about this, that etc... but what are we really doing to make any difference? I think too many of us think that we can't change anything, so we don't even try.

Beer is the answer. We need to change America one pint at a time.....
 
mebe TX and Quebec can go make up their own country together! j/k.

i know what will help, an internets petition! thay iz so efectiv!
 
Henry Hill said:
This would be a great idea. I like the thought of having all the far right whacko ditto heads united in one place, in their own little heaven, to dictate their religious dogma laws onto people who are asking to be controlled by demagogues. Having their own country to control all commerce, actions and thoughts will allow this country to live free from their arrogant, elitist, radical right wing rhetoric.

Take Glen Beck, Boss Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Mel Gibson and all the rest, with you. I presume that international relations will not be desired as the protectionist mantra that makes you feel far superior to other Americans may prevent you from doing anything even resembling diplomacy. Don't call us, we won't call you.

Just don't ask to come back. :mug:
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+1. They can have their own Iran. It'd serve 'em right !


I spent a year in Texas one week, and I can say, with all my heart...BUH BYE !!!!
 
What's funny is that it would take Mexico about 30 minutes to invade Texas. They wouldn't even have to fire a shot, just send wave after wave of immigrants across the border. They couldn't stop them all, and Mexico could sure use the natural resources available in Texas.

How long do you think that it would take Texas to come crying for help??
 
kjung said:
+1. They can have their own Iran. It'd serve 'em right !


I spent a week in Texas one year, and I can say, with all my heart...BUH BYE !!!!
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It seems more like a their own Afghanistan, since they hate everything outside their own little echo chamber world, want everything to fail that isn't their idea, and are now clamoring for revolution. I'd prefer to see them GTFO, rather than become insurgent Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

Sad how much the Islamic Fundamentalists and the Republican Fundamentalists have in common, while both claim righteousness from a superior power.

So sad.
 
Whoa. Chuck Norris is the last guy anyone should listen to regarding Texas government and the direction it should take. I'm getting a very 'anti-Texas' vibe from this thread. Just what did we do to you?
 
You're seceding. If you don't want to be part of your club then we don't care about you. :p

For the record, I'm not anti-texas...it's just not my scene. I AM, however, anti-fundamentalist, which was abit of an OT discussion.
 
Ahh, I see.

Meh, it's the same all over, in my opinion. Anytime that anyone is so thoroughly pissed off that they're no longer the majority, they start talking about seceding from the nation. To date, it's been nothing but talk.
 
I'm not anti-Texas, I just thought it was hilarious that Chuck Norris was volunteering to lead if it ever happened. Then Rush Limbaugh can be RNC leader and Norris can be President! It's like a strange and scary parallel universe.
 
I think GWB kinda ruined Texas for everyone. Lots of people claimed they were going to leave the country when he was elected for his 2nd term, btw. Very few, if any, actually went crying off to Canada.
 
jmulligan said:
I'm not anti-Texas, I just thought it was hilarious that Chuck Norris was volunteering to lead if it ever happened. Then Rush Limbaugh can be RNC leader and Norris can be President! It's like a strange and scary parallel universe.
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Actually, McCain just volunteered to replace Steele. Boss wouldn't quit the radio gig to have to work for a living. :)

Rumored no-confidence vote to occur soon.
 
jmulligan said:
I'm not anti-Texas, I just thought it was hilarious that Chuck Norris was volunteering to lead if it ever happened. Then Rush Limbaugh can be RNC leader and Norris can be President! It's like a strange and scary parallel universe.
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Scary indeed, lol.
 
I'm not anti-Texas. The times that I have been in Texas, I really enjoyed it. I have also met some really nice people from Texas.

I am anti-moron, and Chuck just really has my back up. He should just collect his royalty checks from Walker: Texas Ranger, work out on his Total Gym, and STFU. He's an actor, and not a very good one at that. When did we as a nation start giving a flying f*** about what entertainers think? I wish that they would all be lined up somewhere and get hit by the same bus.

Sorry, end rant.
 
Henry Hill said:
It seems more like a their own Afghanistan, since they hate everything outside their own little echo chamber world, want everything to fail that isn't their idea, and are now clamoring for revolution. I'd prefer to see them GTFO, rather than become insurgent Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

Sad how much the Islamic Fundamentalists and the Republican Fundamentalists have in common, while both claim righteousness from a superior power.

So sad.
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Rush Limbaugh was born in Missouri his radio show broadcasts from NY, NY
Glenn Beck was born in Washington State his radio show broadcasts from NY, NY
Bill O’Reilly was born in NY, NY. He attended Harvard. His show broadcast from NY NY


Why are any of these things the fault of the people of Texas?

Chuck Norris is a B grade actor. He has never been elected to public office & has not until
This year been known for political commentary. He does not represent the people of Texas.

Yes the great idiot was our governor, but not everyone here voted for him and even if they had they were simply exercising their rights as citizens. People who say that you have no rights if you don’t agree with them are not liberal, they are not conservative, they are crazy.
 
DeathBrewer said:
...I AM, however, anti-fundamentalist, which was abit of an OT discussion.
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Not to pour gas on the fire... But thats what I am going to do anyway :D

This may not exactly be what any of the posters have been saying, but it is the definite vibe I have gotten; If you don't conform to the liberal/socialist/democratic/whatever mindset, you are labeled a fundamentalist, and only in the derogatory sense. It seems to me this kind of hate toward a differing perspective is no different than the very thing that is being bashed so adamantly. Instead of having a set of personal ideals that an individual/group wants to fight for to support, they must be "open minded" just enough to accept your brand of ideology :rolleyes:

If some actor wants to run his mouth off, the automatic assumption is the entire state agrees with his perspective ,which I hope no one on here is ignorant enough to actually believe...
 
the_bird said:
There's always been a lot of talk in Vermont about succeeding, some with tongue in cheek and some not. Palin's husband seemed to be involved for a time with a group that was STRONGLY advocating for Alaska's succession.

I suspect there's a lot of Vermonters whose response to Texas wanting to succeed will be - DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS ON THE WAY OUT! (and if Vermont left, I'm sure lots of Texans would feel the same ;)).
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AK sessionest have some legitimate gripes. Mostly states rights.
 
I was born and raised in TX
sometimes I feel like a little blue dot drowning in a sea of red.

On a different note, this country already had the "debate" over weather or not states may leave the union. We decided it by going through a Civil War, which was partially over States Rights. That war determined that once a states join the union they my not succeed.
While it is fun to talk about I can not believe that their is a serious chance of any state leaving the union. Its the outer fringes of any movement that get the most attention, and they usually do more damage for their argument than good.

FYI: The members of the EU are not require to stay
 
deathweed said:
Not to pour gas on the fire... But thats what I am going to do anyway :D

This may not exactly be what any of the posters have been saying, but it is the definite vibe I have gotten; If you don't conform to the liberal/socialist/democratic/whatever mindset, you are labeled a fundamentalist, and only in the derogatory sense. It seems to me this kind of hate toward a differing perspective is no different than the very thing that is being bashed so adamantly. Instead of having a set of personal ideals that an individual/group wants to fight for to support, they must be "open minded" just enough to accept your brand of ideology :rolleyes:

If some actor wants to run his mouth off, the automatic assumption is the entire state agrees with his perspective ,which I hope no one on here is ignorant enough to actually believe...
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I would hope they wouldn't. I was talking about a type of people who behave in a way that terrifies and infuriates me. It's not my problem if they happen to fall into that stereotype. I don't like fundamentalist democrats, either...actually...I don't really like "democrats" or "republicans", at least not their absolute standards. I never was very good at being part of any team.
 
DeathBrewer said:
I would hope they wouldn't. I was talking about a type of people who behave in a way that terrifies and infuriates me. It's not my problem if they happen to fall into that stereotype. I don't like fundamentalist democrats, either...actually...I don't really like "democrats" or "republicans", at least not their absolute standards. I never was very good at being part of any team.
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I know that DB, I was not trying to point you out. Your quote just happened to be the most succinct one that demonstrated my point :mug:
 
deathweed said:
If some actor wants to run his mouth off, the automatic assumption is the entire state agrees with his perspective ,which I hope no one on here is ignorant enough to actually believe...
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Huh? What? Not every Texan wants Chucky as Pres? Well how 'bout Supreme Texan Lone Star Pontiff then? Who wouldn't want that? :rockin:
 
deathweed said:
Not to pour gas on the fire... But thats what I am going to do anyway :D

This may not exactly be what any of the posters have been saying, but it is the definite vibe I have gotten; If you don't conform to the liberal/socialist/democratic/whatever mindset, you are labeled a fundamentalist, and only in the derogatory sense. It seems to me this kind of hate toward a differing perspective is no different than the very thing that is being bashed so adamantly. Instead of having a set of personal ideals that an individual/group wants to fight for to support, they must be "open minded" just enough to accept your brand of ideology :rolleyes:

If some actor wants to run his mouth off, the automatic assumption is the entire state agrees with his perspective ,which I hope no one on here is ignorant enough to actually believe...
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I don't think that's what anyone here is saying. When I've seen the word "funamentalist" thrown around, people are referring to religious fudamentalists, the kind of people who go around trying to quote the Bible (Often incorrectly), and try to pass laws on THEIR interpretation of what "God wants."

To be honest, I've seen more of the "liberal=socialist" mind-set here than what you're implying.
 
Dick Cheney alias Darth Vader
born :Lincoln, Nebraska, United States
represented: Wyoming

Does every person from Wyoming think like Dick Cheney?

Seems like the Dems are falling into the heard mentality right along with the grand old party boys.
 
kjung said:
I don't think that's what anyone here is saying. When I've seen the word "funamentalist" thrown around, people are referring to religious fudamentalists, the kind of people who go around trying to quote the Bible (Often incorrectly), and try to pass laws on THEIR interpretation of what "God wants."
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The problem is, there was a huge jump by implying that everyone that might consider the idea of secession is a wacko religious fundamentalist who want to control everyone and everything. If you think the idea is rediculous, that's one thing - debate the idea, but assigning the idea to a group of people you don't like and then hammering them is a cop out, not a convincing argument.

kjung said:
To be honest, I've seen more of the "liberal=socialist" mind-set here than what you're implying.
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Where do you get this from?
 
nomadjanet said:
Dick Cheney alias Darth Vader
born :Lincoln, Nebraska, United States
represented: Wyoming

Does every person from Wyoming think like Dick Cheney?

Seems like the Dems are falling into the heard mentality right along with the grand old party boys.
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It just depends on what group you roll with and what is the majority in the area. Does everyone in Wyoming think like Dick Cheney? Of course not. Are there many who align themselves with his party and politics? Of course.

The general consensus in my home town are "god-fearing Republicans" but many of my friends and a few of my family are liberals. It's just out of the norm and they are "closet liberals" because admitting to be anything but a Christian Conservative would cause many low whispers and sidewards glances.

So, yes. There are people that fit the stereotypes. It's unfortunate that such people as GWB and Dick Cheney make for an unpleasant view of their "home" states, but I'll tell you right now that people in San Francisco do a lot of coke and think they are better than everyone else. People in Berkeley are either "new liberal" hipsters that go to UC Berkeley or filthy ******* hippies who are very exclusionary and self-centered. Oakland is much more diverse (and dangerous) but still has it's stereotypes. Most people in Oakland are liberal-minded but are too worried about their own skin to voice an opinion. Or they're ghetto pieces of trash who are threatening said skin.
 
In reality all politics is or should be based on financial considerations.
People who claim otherwise are mostly idealistic people who really think that they have the moral answers for everyone this applies to both ends of the spectrum.
In reality nation states are built on finance.
Does any state out there have the financial stability on it's own to be a seperate country?
Which ones come close?
I am not advocating succession by any means but if you are making a pro and con list you can say Texas has:
energy oil, gas, & wind.
farm land for food stuff including "the valley" which is pretty much year round production
farm land for cotton
ranch land for cattle & other protein sources
coastal boarder for access to shipping & international waters
mostly stable climate
large unpopulated areas for growth & development
good highway system for transportation

texas does not have
adequate resources to protect it's self from Mexico
good mass transit
adequate railways for alternate shipping

I'm sure there are lot of other conns to this topic.
 

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