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<blockquote data-quote="Alexholsch" data-source="post: 9251936" data-attributes="member: 300074"><p>Hey guys so I've brewed my first 4 all grain Pale Ales, before this I had the chance to brew these same recipes in production breweries and did not have the following problem. All four of my brews have tasted a bit too sweet which messes with the drinkability of the beers, they taste a bit homebrewy like when I used to brew with extracts and no temp control/plastic buckets. This is obviously really annoying considering I am now selling these beers in a newly opened nano brewpub here in Mexico City. The recipes are the following (last two I brewed), they are brewed in a Brew-Boss system which allows me to maintain mash temperatures and what not and fermented in Spike Cf15 and SS 14 gal unitank with temp control and coils. I am pitching dry yeast straight from the package and doing two packets for each FV. Also worth noting I am still waiting on a H2O installation to bring my wort chiller online so as of now these beers have been brewed with the no chill method. I have hit my OG and FG gravities on all brews. </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Cascade/Simcoe PA</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">5.9% / 13.5 °P</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">All Grain</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>BB60 Pale Ale</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">70% efficiency</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Batch Volume: 28 L</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Boil Time: 60 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Mash Water: 18.93 L</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Sparge Water: 19.94 L</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Total Water: 38.87 L</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Boil Volume: 33.61 L</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.048</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Vitals</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Original Gravity: 1.055</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Final Gravity: 1.010</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">IBU (Tinseth): 43</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">BU/GU: 0.78</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Colour: 17.7 EBC </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Mash</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Temperature — 66 °C — 60 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Malts (7.01 kg)</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">6.3 kg (88.6%) — Avangard Pale Ale Malt — Grain — 5.9 EBC</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">350 g (4.9%) — Briess Caramel Malt 60L — Grain — 159 EBC</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">190 g (2.7%) — Weyermann Carapils/Carafoam — Grain — 3.9 EBC</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">170 g (2.4%) — Weyermann Acidulated — Grain — 3.5 EBC</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Other (100 g)</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">100 g (1.4%) — Corn Sugar (Dextrose) — Sugar — 0 EBC</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Hops (221 g)</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">21 g (20 IBU) — Simcoe 13% — Boil — 60 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">19 g (8 IBU) — Cascade 6.7% — Boil — 30 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">13 g (7 IBU) — Simcoe 13% — Boil — 15 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">28 g (4 IBU) — Cascade 6.7% — Boil — 5 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">28 g (1 IBU) — Cascade 6.7% — Boil — 0 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">28 g (3 IBU) — Simcoe 13% — Boil — 0 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">56 g — Cascade 5.5% — Dry Hop — 4 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">28 g — Simcoe 13% — Dry Hop — 4 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Miscs</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">3.055 g — Calcium Chloride (CaCl2) — Mash</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">10.182 g — Gypsum (CaSO4) — Mash</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">1.591 g — Calcium Chloride (CaCl2) — Sparge</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">5.307 g — Gypsum (CaSO4) — Sparge</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Yeast</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">2 pkg — Fermentis US-05 Safale American 81%</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Fermentation</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Primary — 20 °C — 5 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Diacetyl/Flocc — 22 °C — 3 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Dump yeast/dry hop — 18 °C — 1.5 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Dry hop "free" rise — 20.5 °C — 3 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Gelatin/Biofine — 0 °C — 2.5 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">FV/Keg — 5 °C — 2 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Carbonation: 2.4 CO2-vol</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Water Profile</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Ca2+</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">134 Mg2+</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">0 Na+</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">8 Cl-</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">65 SO42-</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px">237 HCO3-</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Pale Ale #2</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">6.0% / 13.7 °P</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>BB60 Pale Ale</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">69.6% efficiency</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Batch Volume: 24 L</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Boil Time: 60 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Mash Water: 16.39 L</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Sparge Water: 17.42 L (2.29 L + 15.13 L)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Total Water: 33.81 L</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Boil Volume: 29.44 L</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.048</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Vitals</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Original Gravity: 1.056</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Final Gravity: 1.010</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">IBU (Tinseth): 40</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">BU/GU: 0.72</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Colour: 17.1 EBC </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Mash</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Temperature — 66 °C — 60 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Mash out — 75 °C — 10 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Malts (6.07 kg)</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">5.35 kg (86.4%) — Avangard Pale Ale Malt — Grain — 5.9 EBC</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">240 g (3.9%) — Briess Caramel Malt 40L — Grain — 105 EBC</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">240 g (3.9%) — Weyermann Carapils/Carafoam — Grain — 3.9 EBC</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">120 g (1.9%) — Weyermann Acidulated — Grain — 3.5 EBC</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">120 g (1.9%) — Briess Caramel Malt 60L — Grain — 159 EBC</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Other (120 g)</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">120 g (1.9%) — Corn Sugar (Dextrose) — Sugar — 0 EBC</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Hops (138.3 g)</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">19.5 g (24 IBU) — Columbus (Tomahawk) 13.9% — Boil — 60 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">17.2 g (15 IBU) — Simcoe 12.3% — Boil — 30 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">17.2 g (1 IBU) — Centennial 8% — Boil — 0 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">8.5 g (1 IBU) — Simcoe 12.3% — Boil — 0 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">17.7 g — Centennial 9.1% — Dry Hop — 8 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">17.7 g — Columbus (Tomahawk) 13.9% — Dry Hop — 8 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">17.7 g — Simcoe 12.3% — Dry Hop — 8 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">7.6 g — Centennial 9.1% — Dry Hop — 3 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">7.6 g — Columbus (Tomahawk) 13.9% — Dry Hop — 3 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">7.6 g — Simcoe 12.3% — Dry Hop — 3 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Miscs</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">2.4 g — Calcium Chloride (CaCl2) — Mash</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">10.8 g — Gypsum (CaSO4) — Mash</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">1.44 g — Calcium Chloride (CaCl2) — Sparge</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">6.492 g — Gypsum (CaSO4) — Sparge</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">3 g — Nutribrew — Boil — 15 min</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Yeast</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">19.3 g — Lallemand (LalBrew) BRY-97 American West Coast Ale 80%</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Fermentation</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Primary — 19 °C — 4 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">yeast dump — 15.5 °C — 2 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">dry hop glycol off — 20 °C — 10 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Cold Crash — 0 °C — 2 days</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Carbonation: 2.4 CO2-vol</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Water Profile</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Ca2+</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">162Mg2+</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">0Na+</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">8Cl-</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">63SO42-</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">307HCO3-</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px">16</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Sparge until 5.8 L x Kg of grain @6.85 kg = 39.73 L</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Please any help this is driving me crazy I can't even sleep. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alexholsch, post: 9251936, member: 300074"] Hey guys so I've brewed my first 4 all grain Pale Ales, before this I had the chance to brew these same recipes in production breweries and did not have the following problem. All four of my brews have tasted a bit too sweet which messes with the drinkability of the beers, they taste a bit homebrewy like when I used to brew with extracts and no temp control/plastic buckets. This is obviously really annoying considering I am now selling these beers in a newly opened nano brewpub here in Mexico City. The recipes are the following (last two I brewed), they are brewed in a Brew-Boss system which allows me to maintain mash temperatures and what not and fermented in Spike Cf15 and SS 14 gal unitank with temp control and coils. I am pitching dry yeast straight from the package and doing two packets for each FV. Also worth noting I am still waiting on a H2O installation to bring my wort chiller online so as of now these beers have been brewed with the no chill method. I have hit my OG and FG gravities on all brews. [SIZE=3][B]Cascade/Simcoe PA[/B] 5.9% / 13.5 °P All Grain [B]BB60 Pale Ale[/B] 70% efficiency Batch Volume: 28 L Boil Time: 60 min Mash Water: 18.93 L Sparge Water: 19.94 L Total Water: 38.87 L Boil Volume: 33.61 L Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.048 [B]Vitals[/B] Original Gravity: 1.055 Final Gravity: 1.010 IBU (Tinseth): 43 BU/GU: 0.78 Colour: 17.7 EBC [B]Mash[/B] Temperature — 66 °C — 60 min [B]Malts (7.01 kg)[/B] 6.3 kg (88.6%) — Avangard Pale Ale Malt — Grain — 5.9 EBC 350 g (4.9%) — Briess Caramel Malt 60L — Grain — 159 EBC 190 g (2.7%) — Weyermann Carapils/Carafoam — Grain — 3.9 EBC 170 g (2.4%) — Weyermann Acidulated — Grain — 3.5 EBC [B]Other (100 g)[/B] 100 g (1.4%) — Corn Sugar (Dextrose) — Sugar — 0 EBC [B]Hops (221 g)[/B] 21 g (20 IBU) — Simcoe 13% — Boil — 60 min 19 g (8 IBU) — Cascade 6.7% — Boil — 30 min 13 g (7 IBU) — Simcoe 13% — Boil — 15 min 28 g (4 IBU) — Cascade 6.7% — Boil — 5 min 28 g (1 IBU) — Cascade 6.7% — Boil — 0 min 28 g (3 IBU) — Simcoe 13% — Boil — 0 min 56 g — Cascade 5.5% — Dry Hop — 4 days 28 g — Simcoe 13% — Dry Hop — 4 days [B]Miscs[/B] 3.055 g — Calcium Chloride (CaCl2) — Mash 10.182 g — Gypsum (CaSO4) — Mash 1.591 g — Calcium Chloride (CaCl2) — Sparge 5.307 g — Gypsum (CaSO4) — Sparge [B]Yeast[/B] 2 pkg — Fermentis US-05 Safale American 81% [B]Fermentation[/B] Primary — 20 °C — 5 days Diacetyl/Flocc — 22 °C — 3 days Dump yeast/dry hop — 18 °C — 1.5 days Dry hop "free" rise — 20.5 °C — 3 days Gelatin/Biofine — 0 °C — 2.5 days FV/Keg — 5 °C — 2 days Carbonation: 2.4 CO2-vol [B]Water Profile[/B] Ca2+ 134 Mg2+ 0 Na+ 8 Cl- 65 SO42- 237 HCO3- [B]Pale Ale #2[/B] 6.0% / 13.7 °P [B]BB60 Pale Ale[/B] 69.6% efficiency Batch Volume: 24 L Boil Time: 60 min Mash Water: 16.39 L Sparge Water: 17.42 L (2.29 L + 15.13 L) Total Water: 33.81 L Boil Volume: 29.44 L Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.048 [B]Vitals[/B] Original Gravity: 1.056 Final Gravity: 1.010 IBU (Tinseth): 40 BU/GU: 0.72 Colour: 17.1 EBC [B]Mash[/B] Temperature — 66 °C — 60 min Mash out — 75 °C — 10 min [B]Malts (6.07 kg)[/B] 5.35 kg (86.4%) — Avangard Pale Ale Malt — Grain — 5.9 EBC 240 g (3.9%) — Briess Caramel Malt 40L — Grain — 105 EBC 240 g (3.9%) — Weyermann Carapils/Carafoam — Grain — 3.9 EBC 120 g (1.9%) — Weyermann Acidulated — Grain — 3.5 EBC 120 g (1.9%) — Briess Caramel Malt 60L — Grain — 159 EBC [B]Other (120 g)[/B] 120 g (1.9%) — Corn Sugar (Dextrose) — Sugar — 0 EBC [B]Hops (138.3 g)[/B] 19.5 g (24 IBU) — Columbus (Tomahawk) 13.9% — Boil — 60 min 17.2 g (15 IBU) — Simcoe 12.3% — Boil — 30 min 17.2 g (1 IBU) — Centennial 8% — Boil — 0 min 8.5 g (1 IBU) — Simcoe 12.3% — Boil — 0 min 17.7 g — Centennial 9.1% — Dry Hop — 8 days 17.7 g — Columbus (Tomahawk) 13.9% — Dry Hop — 8 days 17.7 g — Simcoe 12.3% — Dry Hop — 8 days 7.6 g — Centennial 9.1% — Dry Hop — 3 days 7.6 g — Columbus (Tomahawk) 13.9% — Dry Hop — 3 days 7.6 g — Simcoe 12.3% — Dry Hop — 3 days [B]Miscs[/B] 2.4 g — Calcium Chloride (CaCl2) — Mash 10.8 g — Gypsum (CaSO4) — Mash 1.44 g — Calcium Chloride (CaCl2) — Sparge 6.492 g — Gypsum (CaSO4) — Sparge 3 g — Nutribrew — Boil — 15 min [B]Yeast[/B] 19.3 g — Lallemand (LalBrew) BRY-97 American West Coast Ale 80% [B]Fermentation[/B] Primary — 19 °C — 4 days yeast dump — 15.5 °C — 2 days dry hop glycol off — 20 °C — 10 days Cold Crash — 0 °C — 2 days Carbonation: 2.4 CO2-vol [B]Water Profile[/B] Ca2+ 162Mg2+ 0Na+ 8Cl- 63SO42- 307HCO3- 16 Sparge until 5.8 L x Kg of grain @6.85 kg = 39.73 L[/SIZE] [SIZE=4]Please any help this is driving me crazy I can't even sleep. [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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