Spooky season Friday - ahhhghhh! Botulism !

[zosimus]

I would tend to doubt that fermentation destroys spores. But again, food borne botulism is an intoxication not an infection. The spores have to germinate into vegetative cells. The vegetative cells have to reproduce and secrete the toxin. You could spike anything that you eat or drink with spores just before eating or drinking it and not get botulism, because gastric juice is very effective at destroying spores.

Right from one article I read, it takes about 3 days for the spores to actually secrete any toxin from growing. So it would have to sit for 3 days in the right temperature range (given the exact conditions it needs and no inhibitory factors)

 

[Skeeter686]

The production of the toxin that causes botulism from honey does not occur in the packaged honey but in the stomach of the person who consumed it. This is largely believed to be due to the immune system being unable to prevent this. It mostly happens in infants under 1 years old because their immune system hasn't developed the proper defenses yet, but it very rarely also occurs in adults (known as adult intestinal toxemia).

Having no children, myself, I've never bothered to investigate this, but I've always been somewhat curious. Thank you for closing that item. I can now devote more of my attention to other "not quite intriguing enough for me to bother researching" questions.

 

[Skeeter686]

I think we should maybe give medical professionals a little bit more credit than this. There really aren't very many things that cause flaccid paralysis.

I believe that overconsumption of alcohol has been known to cause flaccid paralysis of... oh, I guess I'm not going to go there.

 

[Erik the Anglophile]

the vessel with the urine
is the basin with botulism
the kettle with the brew-bag
holds the brew that is true

Brews are dark, fall
No worry for botulism
I drink my beer

 

[Broken Crow]

Close! But points for trying: a haiku is 5-7-5
Still a chuckle!
....though honestly I was hoping this thread was dead

 

[Broken Crow]

... I should have included my source: (just for you young uns')

 

[Erik the Anglophile]

Damn, I really thought I got a 5-7-5 syllable scheme, wich word I thought was 2 is only one?
English is not my first language so can get a bit lost concerning more advanced grammar based word-play.

 

[Broken Crow]

Brews are dark, fall 4
No wor-ry for bot-ul-ism 7
I drink my beer 4

Personally, I'd welcome Swedish poetry on here....especially in a ridiculous thread such as this!
I love learning translations, for example: Anything at all by Fredrico Garcia Lorca: Read it in Spanish with the context of the languange and culture and a lot of it is entirely different to the english speaker, such as the word 'Public' in The Public (El público), In our backwater english, 'The Public' does not imply participation, but merely spectacle.
...sorry...you got me thinking and with brain-damage it can go anywhere.

 

[Erik the Anglophile]

Ahasverus, upp och vandra!
Tag din ränsel och din stav;
ej ditt öde liknar andra,
ty dig väntar ingen grav.
Vagga fick du och en början,
men du får ej något ****,
evigt skall du trampa sörjan,
många skor få nöta ut.

Start with this one, it's the opening part of Poem by August Strindberg.

 

[Broken Crow]

Ahasverus, upp och vandra!
Tag din ränsel och din stav;
ej ditt öde liknar andra,
ty dig väntar ingen grav.
Vagga fick du och en början,
men du får ej något ****,
evigt skall du trampa sörjan,
många skor få nöta ut.

Start with this one, it's the opening part of Poem by August Strindberg.

Thank You!! I find it very inspirational...I'm going to revisit it a few more times and revisit the period, but I'm wondering if my quick contemporary knock-off is in the same spirit:

Bowie, rise and sing!
Take your glitter and your mic;
your fate is not like others,
for no grave awaits you.
You got records and charts,
but your play gets no end,
forever you shall tread our speakers,
many media-players get worn out.

 

[mac_1103]

Damn, I really thought I got a 5-7-5 syllable scheme

Easy to fix -
Brews are dark in fall
No worry for botulism
I will drink my beer

 

[Erik the Anglophile]

Thank You!! I find it very inspirational...I'm going to revisit it a few more times and revisit the period, but I'm wondering if my quick contemporary knock-off is in the same spirit:

Bowie, rise and sing!
Take your glitter and your mic;
your fate is not like others,
for no grave awaits you.
You got records and charts,
but your play gets no end,
forever you shall tread our speakers,
many media-players get worn out.

The same gist, although the expression and language in his poems are more comparable to a Swedish analogue to Shakesperian-ish English, or at least Victorian high English.

 

[Halfakneecap]

Haven't heard much from the no-chill brewing crowd lately. Hope all of our Australian friends are still with us.

Im still alive. No chilling for a decade or more

 

[beren]

On the plus side, it will get rid of your crow's feet and cure your migraines.

Might give you smile lines however.