Recipe suggestions: Rye Pale Ale

[brewuuhu]

What I'm going for here is an easy to drink American pale ale, that had a little bit more to it, so I decided to throw in some rye, to have a nice mix of fresh citrus (from hops) and some spice.
Now I made this recipe before, but the spiciness from the rye was a little subdued and it was basically your run-of-the-mill west coast style APA with citrusy hops. For this next iteration I figured I'd up the rye a bit and try with an English yeast for a bit more malt focus. This'll be Wyeast 1318 London Ale III since that's what I have lying around and I plan to use (some of) the yeastcake of this brew for an English Barleywine after.

I was wondering if you guys think a yeast like this would work here, and if I could exchange some of the hops for English Fuggle, EKG or even Styrian Goldings or Saaz?


Rye Pale Ale

Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 11,00 l
Est Original Gravity: 1,056 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1,013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5,7 %
Bitterness: 35 IBUs
Est Color: 13,6 EBC

Ingredients

1,500 kg Pale Ale (2-row) (6,0 EBC) Grain 1 50,8 %
1,000 kg Rye Malt (Briess) (7,3 EBC) Grain 2 33,9 %
0,200 kg Munich Malt (17,7 EBC) Grain 3 6,8 %
0,150 kg Crystal 50 (50,0 EBC) Grain 4 5,1 %
0,100 kg Carapils (Briess) (3,0 EBC) Grain 5 3,4 %
5,00 g Chinook [13,00 %] - First Wort 80,0 min Hop 6 15,6 IBUs
6,00 g Cascade [8,30 %] - Boil 15,0 min Hop 7 5,3 IBUs
6,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Boil 15,0 min Hop 8 8,3 IBUs
6,00 g Cascade [8,30 %] - Boil 5,0 min Hop 9 2,1 IBUs
6,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Boil 5,0 min Hop 10 3,3 IBUs
1,0 pkg London Ale III (Wyeast Labs #1318) [124,21 ml] Yeast 11 -
10,00 g Cascade [5,50 %] - Dry Hop 4,0 Days Hop 12 0,0 IBUs
10,00 g Simcoe [13,00 %] - Dry Hop 4,0 Days Hop 13 0,0 IBUs


Mash Profile

Mash Name: BIAB, Medium Body
Saccharification Add 18,26 l of water at 69,6 C
66,0 C 75 min
Mash Out Heat to 75,6 C over 7 min
75,6 C 10 min


Suggestions welcome, shoot away!

 

[thehaze]

From the top of my head, I would say you have too much rye. Maybe balance it with more 2-row or cut it down to 20%. I think it will become spicer than intended.

The yeast is spot on. The hops are maybe a bit underwhelming. 10 gr Cascade for dry hopping is like a third of an oz. That's like nothing and it will not provide any significant aroma.

Dry hopping should consist of a couple of ounces, to really aromatize the final beer.

 

[brewuuhu]

Good to hear someone else likes this yeast for a beer like this.

Rye was ~20% last time I made this and it wasn't enough for my taste, but it's probably a bit too much right now, I'll tone it down.

You're right that the dryhops are a bit on the low side, wasn't really going for IPA levels of hop aroma, but I might up it a bit.