recipe recommended sachet of tomato ketchup

[robint]

Member used a sachet of ketchup (Burger King IIRC) as an aid to preparing a starter yeast culture? Why would this be done? Does it have special extra nutrient value? Mystery to me but then all kinds of strange things get put to fermentation

I read about a nutcase who went foraging along a forest floor looking for pine needles to make old style New World Ale (as they didnt have Barley and used molasses instead IIRC)

He managed to collect some Taxus needles KWIM and after brewing and taking half a wine glass taster - started getting pains - projectile evacuation in his Levis called 911 - the doc on hearing his story looked up pine needle/Taxus and when into red alert intensive care.
He was making a brew from a Yew tree He nearly croaked.

 

[mac_1103]

Does it have special extra nutrient value?

Tomatoes have nutrient value, but I don't think there's anything extra special about it.

 

[tdf]

Tomato paste is a common nutrient addition in the home distilling community.

Those ketchup packets are 30-50% corn syrup though, I think.

 

[robint]

Tomato paste is a common nutrient addition in the home distilling community.

Those ketchup packets are 30-50% corn syrup though, I think.

Yes, I think thats where I may have seen it and it stuck in my mind, although moonshine is not my bag. just wondered why it was used. I suppose Bubba had some handful of these he lifted from the Whataburger shack down town Leopard St? Shiners are very tight with their $

 

[OakIslandBrewery]

Why not add some mustard too? I like the dill variety.

 

[robint]

Why not add some mustard too? I like the dill variety.

I kinda balk at the idea of adding ketchup or mustard cos they both contain vinegar/acetic acid preservative. Its what you dont want in your brew? but Im willing to learn

I was looking on the shelf and saw a bottle of sweet tomato chilli sauce? Is that for hoople heads?

When you look at old recipes its amazing what they did put into fermentation - eg spruce tips? cos they didnt have barley in the New World

What next swap out hops for Mary J? Wacky Beer?

 

[MaxStout]

It's bad enough we have little old ladies swiping jam and sugar packets at the local Denny's. Now, it's homebrewers swiping ketchup packets.

 

[OakIslandBrewery]

Brewing beer is all about experimentation. The sky's the limit I guess.

 

[mac_1103]

I kinda balk at the idea of adding ketchup or mustard cos they both contain vinegar/acetic acid preservative. Its what you dont want in your brew?

FWIW, this wasn't supposed to be about actually using ketchup as a beer ingredient:

Member used a sachet of ketchup (Burger King IIRC) as an aid to preparing a starter yeast culture? Why would this be done? Does it have special extra nutrient value?

It's supposed to be cheap (free) yeast nutrient. The amounts of other ingredients are probably pretty insignificant. People add acid to the mash (and the boil and the fermenter and the finished beer) all the time (although acetic is probably a poor choice because you'd taste it at much lower concentrations than lactic or phosphoric).

 

[robint]

Has anyone flavoured beer with chilli sauce or used powder in the wort

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Member used a sachet of ketchup (Burger King IIRC) as an aid to preparing a starter yeast culture? Why would this be done? Does it have special extra nutrient value?

It's not a question of it bringing anything "special", kind of the reverse. It's a hack, a Heath Robinson way of getting some sugar and other nutrients into the yeast starter that have been pasteurised in a convenient small packet. Nothing more than that.

When you look at old recipes its amazing what they did put into fermentation - eg spruce tips? cos they didnt have barley in the New World

Spruce tips are nothing to do with replacing barley, they are used to flavour the beer as they contain a lot of the same compounds as hops. For instance one of the important flavour compounds in hops is called pinene. Same is true of bog myrtle (sweet gale) - I've made beer with it that tastes very much like a West Coast IPA.

But yes, using anything from the yew family is very, very bad.

What next swap out hops for Mary J? Wacky Beer?

People do it, it's the closest relative of the hop and again has a lot of the same flavour compounds.

 

[robint]

People do it, Mary J it's the closest relative of the hop and again has a lot of the same flavour compounds.

Holy Guano Batman, can hops be smoked - or even vaped . hmm an urban myth?

keep drinking Ale

 

[Northern_Brewer]

People do it, Mary J it's the closest relative of the hop and again has a lot of the same flavour compounds.

Holy Guano Batman, can hops be smoked - or even vaped . hmm an urban myth?

You're welcome to do it but it won't get you high, as hops lack the enzymes for the last stage of conversion of CBGA into the parents of THC and CBD.

 

[OakIslandBrewery]

People do it, Mary J it's the closest relative of the hop and again has a lot of the same flavour compounds.

Holy Guano Batman, can hops be smoked - or even vaped . hmm an urban myth?

keep drinking Ale

It's been a while since Mary and I have gotten together but I think hops are a better choice for your beer brewing.

On that same topic, in all seriousness, I would stick with the beer related ingredients to make beer. Side condiments are great with a burger but IMO should stay out of beer making. To each their own though.