Poll: Do you have, or plan to get, an electric car?

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Do you have an electric car or plan to get one?

  • Yes

  • No

  • I plan to

  • Over my dead body


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I'm not really sure how much impact the tax credits are actually having on final cost of the vehicles to consumers. Many EVs that don't qualify seem to be getting discounted by quite a bit more than EVs that do qualify, at least in my neck of the woods. About $7500 more as it happens.
Yeah, the effect on the market prices can be a very interesting phenomenon. Especially in the current market, which seems to be in an oversupply condition.

That said, even in that case I would say that the incentives would still affect my purchase, if it's causing non-incentive-qualified vehicles to be discounted to be competitive with incentive-qualified vehicles.

Ultimately I don't care if the vehicle is cheaper because I'm getting a tax incentive, or if it's discounted to be cheaper to be competitive with a different vehicle that qualifies, or if it is cheaper because there's a glut of EV supply in the market and they're simply heavily discounting to move metal lithium. What I care about is whether the economics work for me as an individual.

And thus to the extent that incentives affect the economics, they will factor into any purchasing decision I make.
 
Perhaps this incentive question will become moot if/when a big battery breakthrough lowers manufacturing cost enough.
Ultimately, yes.

The problem with BEV adoption is cost. When something costs more, you look for (or manufacture) reasons NOT to buy it to justify saving money. When something costs less, you rationalize reasons not to buy it as being irrelevant.

Nobody wants to admit they won't buy a BEV because they can't afford it. So they claim to worry about range anxiety, or worry about cold weather performance, or worry about battery degradation. Which, from all the research I've done, are pretty much nothingburgers. But when you don't have the money, they become excellent excuses for why BEVs "suck".

The moment the costs flip, all of a sudden you don't worry about range anxiety. After all, that only comes into play on long road trips, so you prioritize never having to go to the gas station because you fill up at home. You don't worry about cold weather battery performance, because, hey, there are only so many truly FRIGID days a year, and how often do you need ALL your range? And you don't worry about battery degradation, because you have 8 year / 80,000 mile battery warranty, and you only charge to 80% because you know about it, and the rare people crying about battery replacement costs aren't that much worse than the people who have their engine or transmission blow up and have to pay for a replacement. It's just bad luck and surely it won't happen to me!

I don't mean to quote a certain individual given his current transgressions, but... "It's all about the Benjamins, baby!"
 
Never thought we would, but, we wanted a newer Jeep and they really only had the PHEV in the config/trim (earl grey, leather, etc) we wanted. It's been just fine, no real issues (other than the recent recall), but only gets like 20mi on electric. The electric motor also assist even when the battery is down to nothing. So the zoom is pretty good overall given the extra weight! While the government incentives was nice it wasn't something we had initially considered.
 
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Never thought we would, but, we wanted a newer Jeep and they really only had the PHEV in the config/trim (earl grey, leather, etc) we wanted. It's been just fine, no real issues (other than the recent recall), but only gets like 20mi on electric. The electric motor also assist even when the battery is down to nothing. So the zoom is pretty good overall given the extra weight! While the government incentives was nice it wasn't something we had initially considered.
My feelings also about our Prius. Fun to drive, wife uses it almost exclusively for her daily driver. But it only gets ~35 miles per full charge. I’d like a PHEV with more capacity, but I’ll probably settle for a Level 2 wiring and charger. Then it’s just a decision of whether we’ll go full EV or ‘settle’ for a PHEV that’ll give more in-town range but also the ability to go a few hundred miles on battery + electric.
 
The new scout looks promising having a engine as a power generator for the electric motor to extend the range. But it's also at least a few years away and the price is probably going to be close to something like a loaded bronco.
 
My feelings also about our Prius. Fun to drive, wife uses it almost exclusively for her daily driver. But it only gets ~35 miles per full charge. I’d like a PHEV with more capacity,

You mean the battery capacity? I felt that way about my Volt the entire time I owned it.

Thing is, my wife is interested in the Ramcharger to replace our Jeep someday. That has a big battery and a big gas tank. Everything I wanted? But now that I think of it, the gas tank needs to burn through its contents once in a while, probably even if pure gasoline (no ethanol, high octane) is used. The Volt was really well designed for that, efficient even on gas so it had a small gas tank and it could still go far on gas.

Big gas tank and a big battery, that will be great for people with a long commute. Not sure it'll be right for us.
 
You mean the battery capacity? I felt that way about my Volt the entire time I owned it.

Thing is, my wife is interested in the Ramcharger to replace our Jeep someday. That has a big battery and a big gas tank. Everything I wanted? But now that I think of it, the gas tank needs to burn through its contents once in a while, probably even if pure gasoline (no ethanol, high octane) is used. The Volt was really well designed for that, efficient even on gas so it had a small gas tank and it could still go far on gas.

Big gas tank and a big battery, that will be great for people with a long commute. Not sure it'll be right for us.
Yeah, our gas tank is around 9 gallons. Almost as much as my John Deere lawn tractor. I have to plan my fuel stops… as in, when do I have to drive just to lower the gas tank level so I’m not embarrassed at the pump by only putting in 2 or 3 gallons.
 
Yeah, our gas tank is around 9 gallons. Almost as much as my John Deere lawn tractor. I have to plan my fuel stops… as in, when do I have to drive just to lower the gas tank level so I’m not embarrassed at the pump by only putting in 2 or 3 gallons.
My Sonata Hybrid only has a 12 -13 gal gas tank, but when I fill it up, the range estimate is ~600 mi.

Brew on :mug:
 
We had a reduction in EV subsidies/incentives early this year. Prices are now generally cheaper than when we had the subsidies, sometimes a lot cheaper (Fiat 500e has dropped from 60,000 to 35,000 ND$). Seems to be a glut of EVs at the moment.
 
Some EV makers are adding features that simulate ICE vehicles: sound, or "fake shifting." So far, no one is adding fake exhaust smoke/odor or oil drips 😏

To me, these features are highly undesirable, but Dodge and Hyundai apparently believe such things will sell more EVs. What do you think?
 
Some EV makers are adding features that simulate ICE vehicles: sound, or "fake shifting." So far, no one is adding fake exhaust smoke/odor or oil drips 😏

To me, these features are highly undesirable, but Dodge and Hyundai apparently believe such things will sell more EVs. What do you think?
We have a neighbor across the street who suffers from early onset dementia. He walks our cul-de-sac several times per day, seven days a week. We don’t always see him coming, and he doesn’t always remember to ‘look both ways.’ The fact that our Prius (or just about any electric vehicle) is so quiet and gives such little aural warning has created some issues on our block, with an additional Tesla and an electric Ford Bronco besides our PHEV.
 
To me, these features are highly undesirable, but Dodge and Hyundai apparently believe such things will sell more EVs. What do you think?
I think there's probably a bunch of really good reasons why I've never been asked to participate in a focus group for this sort of thing.
 
We have a neighbor across the street who suffers from early onset dementia. He walks our cul-de-sac several times per day, seven days a week. We don’t always see him coming, and he doesn’t always remember to ‘look both ways.’ The fact that our Prius (or just about any electric vehicle) is so quiet and gives such little aural warning has created some issues on our block, with an additional Tesla and an electric Ford Bronco besides our PHEV.
That’s why it’s now federal law to make noise when driving esp. slow.
 
Never thought we would, but, we wanted a newer Jeep and they really only had the PHEV in the config/trim (earl grey, leather, etc) we wanted. It's been just fine, no real issues (other than the recent recall), but only gets like 20mi on electric. The electric motor also assist even when the battery is down to nothing. So the zoom is pretty good overall given the extra weight! While the government incentives was nice it wasn't something we had initially considered.
Honestly many people don’t drive more than 20-30mi/day, like my wife. I like my road trips but my Kona can get almost 300mi as long as I’m not blasting the heat and doing 80 on the highway. It’s closer to 200 if I do that, but still not unacceptable.
 
Cyber (dump) Truck.

SWMBO’d implores me not to look; don’t give them the slightest glance, implying approval or (gasp!) envy!

I, in turn, choose to stop and stare, mouth agape. Then point and start laughing uncontrollably. That somehow feels like an appropriate response.

What was Elon thinking?
 
Cyber (dump) Truck.

SWMBO’d implores me not to look; don’t give them the slightest glance, implying approval or (gasp!) envy!

I, in turn, choose to stop and stare, mouth agape. Then point and start laughing uncontrollably. That somehow feels like an appropriate response.

What was Elon thinking?

Production and Sales​

  • The Cybertruck concept was unveiled in Los Angeles in November 2019. (CNBC)
  • Elon Musk considers the Cybertruck Tesla’s best product. (Tesla Rati)
  • Tesla received 146,000 reservations within the first 1.5 days after the unveiling. (Forbes)
  • As of March 2024, the Tesla Cybertruck waitlist has over 2 million people. (Fortune)
Personally, I will never have an EV (or any other car) as I no longer drive. I do think the Cybertruck is not pratical and really not a pickup. Evedn if I was in the market fr an EV, it would not be on my list.
 
I keep seeing apocryphal stories about Cybertrucks breaking down within the first hours of ownership, with the owners told the root causes either are not covered under warranty (the one about "coolant leaks aren't covered", for instance, on a CT driven only 35 miles) or parts are 18 months backordered :oops:
 
A couple of days ago, for my first time ever, I saw a Cyber Truck being used as a truck, i.e. tools, building materials, junk, etc. in the bed.

Brew on :mug:
 
I keep seeing apocryphal stories about Cybertrucks breaking down within the first hours of ownership, with the owners told the root causes either are not covered under warranty (the one about "coolant leaks aren't covered", for instance, on a CT driven only 35 miles) or parts are 18 months backordered :oops:
Add one more to the ‘back order’ list:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna185932
 
I added a clause to my rental property lease agreements that EV's are verbotten in garage and on property (including driveway) and must be parked on the street (public property). Talk to your insurance guy if you have rental properties. You may be able to get a discount. I did.:rock:
 
I added a clause to my rental property lease agreements that EV's are verbotten in garage and on property (including driveway) and must be parked on the street (public property). Talk to your insurance guy if you have rental properties. You may be able to get a discount. I did.:rock:
How many cans of petrol can they store on the property?
 
I added a clause to my rental property lease agreements that EV's are verbotten in garage and on property (including driveway) and must be parked on the street (public property).

You going to put a limit on how full their fuel tanks can be, too?
 
Nah Kent. I never had one ICE vehicle spontaneously combust just sitting there (unlike EV's).

But, OTOH EV's seem to go splodey in a regular fashion. :oops:

And there is the discount. Money talks, BS walks
 

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