Quantcast

One step closer to all electric.

HomeBrewTalk.com - Beer, Wine, Mead, & Cider Brewing Discussion Community.

Help Support Homebrew Talk:

Orfy

For the love of beer!
Lifetime Supporter
Joined
Sep 27, 2005
Messages
11,732
Reaction score
116
Location
Cheshire, England
I'm still not sure if I want to go 100 3 barrel electric.
I'm playing with it at the moment to see which I preffer.

I may mix and match or keep the 2 set ups.



 

jkarp

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 15, 2008
Messages
2,089
Reaction score
50
Location
Elizabeth, CO
Have you done any cost analysis? Is electric cheaper than propane or just more convenient and safe for indoors?
Electric is a fraction the cost of propane. It's less than 50 cents for me to brew a batch of beer.
 

AiredAle

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 20, 2006
Messages
471
Reaction score
24
Orfy,

If I were going to have a 3 barrel brew system, I also have the 100 liter one as a pilot scale brewery - call it a lab scale brew system to back up the big one, and minimize the risk of expensive failures....

But, I gotta ask, are you on your way to commercial brewing? If not, why have the 3 bbl system?
 

CodeRage

Death by Magumba!
Joined
Aug 22, 2007
Messages
2,209
Reaction score
68
Location
Melbourne, Fl
Looks nice Orfy!

By quick I mean, like the last post, 'fast' - do they heat the water up fast?

Is there an element sticking up through the pot or is it smooth all the way around?
depends on the size of the element. 5500W is pretty respectable I can get 11 gallons up to a boil from room temp in about 50 minutes. Regular 5 gallon batches coming from the MLT boil in no time.
 
OP
Orfy

Orfy

For the love of beer!
Lifetime Supporter
Joined
Sep 27, 2005
Messages
11,732
Reaction score
116
Location
Cheshire, England
my mistake. 3 vessel not barrel.
Yes they are 30l not the size of my keggles but good enough for 23l batches.
I'm still configuring things and waiting for the 3rd vessel and a pump.




(I do have some cash tied up in a commercial set up but it's a year behind schedule!)
 
OP
Orfy

Orfy

For the love of beer!
Lifetime Supporter
Joined
Sep 27, 2005
Messages
11,732
Reaction score
116
Location
Cheshire, England
Wow, downside? Is it quick?
Down Side?
More equipment. Even If I stick with it I'm not getting rid of the keggles.

Quick?
It's not slower. I'm stuck with a minimum mash and boil time.

They are lighter when empty but they need to live indoors.

I'm thinkng of trying the boil in the bag method with them.
 

hukdizzle

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2007
Messages
409
Reaction score
11
Location
Kirkland
3kW element eh? I am not familiar with England's electrical code, what kind of circuit are you running that element on?
 

lschiavo

This space for rent.
Lifetime Supporter
Joined
Sep 2, 2009
Messages
5,240
Reaction score
1,456
Location
Upper Peninsula
Have you done any cost analysis? Is electric cheaper than propane or just more convenient and safe for indoors?
I was curious about cost also (posted this in another thread). I did a few quick calcs and came up with this. Just adjust for your costs. Anyone know what the efficiency to the kettle would be with gas?

1 pound of propane = 22,000 BTU = about $1 per pound.

22,000 BTU = 6.45kWH @ about $0.11/kWH = about $0.71.

Also an electrical element is 100% efficient. I am sure a burner is no where near that. So, I would guess electrical brewing would be about half the energy cost of propane. Also, no trips to refill cylinders.
 

mysterio

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 7, 2005
Messages
698
Reaction score
4
Location
Glasgow, Scotland
I use a couple of kettle elements drilled into a 70L stock pot, the downside I would say is having a lot of cables trailing about, the need for a switch box etc. I would say it takes me about 20 minutes to get a decent rolling boil from mash temperature (10 gallon batch). Pots were about £30 off ebay and elements are only a few pounds each.

A big plus for me is that you can set your HLT on a timer switch so you can have 80C water ready for brewing with first thing in the morning.

This is a quick vid of my sparge, you can see the kettle elements at the end. Obviously can't turn them on until they're submerged.

 
Last edited by a moderator:

Bernie Brewer

Grouchy Old Fart
Joined
Feb 2, 2006
Messages
7,505
Reaction score
185
Location
Eldorado, WI
Quick? What do you mean?

I wanted electric because I wanted to brew indoors and didn't want to have to deal with propane and/or natural gas indoors. The other benefit is the ability to have a HERMS, which I couldn't easily do with propane.

Ok, I admit it: I have no idea what HERMS means. Will somebody please educate this old propane brewer?
 

mysterio

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 7, 2005
Messages
698
Reaction score
4
Location
Glasgow, Scotland
Heat Exchange Recirculation Mashing System (or something similar).

Refers to the system of mashing by recirculating the wort through a heat exchanger which is controlled with a PID, either to maintain a specific mash temp or to conduct a step mash.
 

Bernie Brewer

Grouchy Old Fart
Joined
Feb 2, 2006
Messages
7,505
Reaction score
185
Location
Eldorado, WI
I wasn't sure, but I thought it was something like that. Sounds like just one more thing to clean when brewday is done.
 

sjlammer

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2007
Messages
534
Reaction score
6
Location
Albany, NY
Its not bad to clean. I just hook up my hot water feed connection to one end of the herms coil, and hold a 2 quart pitcher up to the outlet. usually flush it with a gallon of 100 degree hot water.

no fuss, no muss.

 

The Pol

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 12, 2007
Messages
11,390
Reaction score
116
I wasn't sure, but I thought it was something like that. Sounds like just one more thing to clean when brewday is done.
Not at all. You pump your sparge water through it during the sparge. Not a single extra step
 
Top