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[gueuzedreg]

Hope this guy didn't pull one over on you man!

 

[Pneill3161]

Well ****, now I have some serious concerns about the other bottles too. When did 3F stop using the old cork style? Here's a close up cork pic of the "98"

Both of the other bottles were hand labeled and don't correspond to any of the known bottling dates for OGV either. Same Nightlights label.

And here's a side by side cork pic of all three:

I'd also be concerned with the labels scotch taped on. Wondering if that's not just relabeled regular gueuze.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Yeah, I'd run far, far away from those bottles.

 

[NAD1983]

I'd also be concerned with the labels scotch taped on. Wondering if that's not just relabeled regular gueuze.

Woah I can't believe I missed that.

It appears that this is a blatantly obvious forgery of a regular OG. Pretty much everything that he could **** up on in reproducing an OGV was accounted for. I wonder what he traded for these...

 

[cneville1]

paging forgery expert

Joel66

 

[callmemickey]

Well ****, now I have some serious concerns about the other bottles too. When did 3F stop using the old cork style? c

After digging through my cellar, here are some observations:

(1) the style cork in these photos was used for OGVs from 2002 through the present (except for the synthetic cork period), also, these corks were used for OG in 2003 and 2004, and then from 2011 through the present (also was not used for the 1999 screen print, 1998, or millennium)

(2) these bottles all have the gold metallic cage caps... which weren't used for OGV until 2006 and weren't used for OG until 2012 (also was not used for the 1999 screen print, 1998, or millennium)

(3) scotch tape?

(4) handwriting uniform across five year (1998 through 2003)?

(5) none of the dates match the log

(6) all of the labels don't have best by dates

(7) odds of trading for three OGVs that all turn out to be hand-dated?

 

[mikecharley]

After digging through my cellar, here are some observations:

(1) the style cork in these photos was used for OGVs from 2002 through the present (except for the synthetic cork period), also, these corks were used for OG in 2003 and 2004, and then from 2011 through the present (also was not used for the 1999 screen print, 1998, or millennium)

(2) these bottles all have the gold metallic cage caps... which weren't used for OGV until 2006 and weren't used for OG until 2012 (also was not used for the 1999 screen print, 1998, or millennium)

(3) scotch tape?

(4) handwriting uniform across five year (1998 through 2003)?

(5) none of the dates match the log

(6) all of the labels don't have best by dates

(7) odds of trading for three OGVs that all turn out to be hand-dated?

 

[LukeAleTime]

2014 intense red.

Like blackberry/cherry jam. Not really that pleasant tbh. Long sourness, head was bright purple but died and not much carb was left.

I think the last I had was 2011 and it seemed redder and less intense.

 

[LukeAleTime]

stupid dual lambic threads

 

[stakem1]

When I saw the first pic, the tape made me scratch my head but I figured its possible it was done by one of the prior owners if the label might have been coming off. I stewed on that a little and realized ive never had a 3F label just fall off like old tome labels sometimes do.

After seeing the pic of all 3 in the same taped fashion with equally impressive crisp labels; that is when I started to feel sad for the person who clearly got hosed.

Everything callmemickey lists are nails in the coffin.

Man...how unfortunate that this is the next level of beer profiteering douchery.

 

[boogercrack]

JCN Pt 2: Nightlights Boogaloo

 

[stakem1]

JCN Pt 2: Nightlights Boogaloo

At least the shitlord who pulled the fake JCN stunt had the sense to use a glue stick on the label and not a ******* couple pieces of tape. Holy hell... if your gonna be a ********, at least do your homework and put forth more effort. I wonder how long this 3F **** has been going on and how many bottles might have already been consumed.

Im gonna take some bottles of girardin and bake them in my oven, then freeze them in the snow storm we are suppose to get this weekend. Then bake them again and scrub them with some dog turds until the labels come off around the edges. Then take the cages off, cut the tops of the corks and apply some cellar dust, cobwebs and mold around the top. Gonna see if after all that hard work I can pawn them off as bottles from 1881.

 

[GuzzleMcBrew]

Then bake them again and scrub them with some dog turds until the labels come off around the edges. .

I've seen this get done before.

 

[kzeon]

After digging through my cellar, here are some observations:

(1) the style cork in these photos was used for OGVs from 2002 through the present (except for the synthetic cork period), also, these corks were used for OG in 2003 and 2004, and then from 2011 through the present (also was not used for the 1999 screen print, 1998, or millennium)

(2) these bottles all have the gold metallic cage caps... which weren't used for OGV until 2006 and weren't used for OG until 2012 (also was not used for the 1999 screen print, 1998, or millennium)

(3) scotch tape?

(4) handwriting uniform across five year (1998 through 2003)?

(5) none of the dates match the log

(6) all of the labels don't have best by dates

(7) odds of trading for three OGVs that all turn out to be hand-dated?

So clearly, the label are forged scanned & printed copy. NAD1983, could you give us details about the quality of the forgery? If you post some high res images here, add a watermark on them to avoid idiots doing the same thing again

Now, ISO the name of the trader who did this.

 

[NAD1983]

So clearly, the label are forged scanned & printed copy. NAD1983, could you give us details about the quality of the forgery

Quality is not the word that comes to mind for this particular forgery attempt. I'll provide a recap later today about how little quality there was and a little more info on how these particular bottles were acquired.

I don't think it's very likely that there are any more in circulation but I guess it's possible. It's a pretty unique situation but like I said I'll provide more information later when I have time to recap in detail.

 

[boogercrack]

More unrelated hand labels!

 

[SeaWatchman]

More unrelated hand labels!

You know what I'm going to say here...

 

[boogercrack]

You know what I'm going to say here...

ISO?

 

[SeaWatchman]

ISO?

DUH.

 

[Der Fuchs]

More unrelated hand labels!

With non European 1's at that!

 

[sunnrider]

Unfortunately this type of fraud doesn't really suprise me. Now that bottles of beer are reselling for, in some cases, 100 times the original price it was only a matter of time.

I've been offered a few rare bottles but if I don't know the seller I won't buy them. The few times I have bought from someone new have been IP.

I wish I had advice for the Op but it looks like you'll be taking the hit this time. Just make the *********'s details public so we can stop a repeat performance.

I've been lucky enough to do quite a bit of beer travel and the one thing I have noticed is the beer world is very connected and you're only ever a few degrees from someone you know.

That was a long post.
TL: DR looking for an empty Pappy bottle and some scotch tape...

 

[Joel66]

paging forgery expert

Joel66

**** the community

 

[Beerontwowheels]

**** the community

We certainly hadn't missed your presence, but it's nice to know that you haven't changed a bit.

 

[Joel66]

i see i havent missed much either

 

[NAD1983]

I considered asking for more details and giving a more in depth recap but I realized it doesn't really matter. If you care to read more, here's the original thread from RB that should explain most everything up until the forgery incident. Here's the recap:

• My buddy orders beer from buygoodbeer.com and exchanges a number of emails with Matt (the owner). Quite a few people on BA and RB vouch for him because they are either friends with him (SF or Belgium) or have successfully ordered from him via his site. Everything seems legit up until this point.
• Quite a bit of time passes, the site goes offline and emails get bounced back.
• It turns out he wasn't the only one having issues with his order. According to his "friends" Matt got in over his head for some reason and simply stopped responding to those with outstanding orders.
• Eventually Matt reaches out and says that he doesn't have all of the bottles from the original order but he will send some quality bottles from his cellar to make things right.
• You all know what happened next.

Yes, there were red flags and looking back even he said he's not surprised. I know some people would go so far as to say it was obvious but how many of you have actually been in possession of an OGV bottle? Even if you are or have been without resources like lambic.info and the knowledge of people like SeaWatchman and callmemickey to call on, is it really that obvious?

It couldn't have happened to a more generous person so I felt really bad when I had to tell him. Like I said before definitely a unique situation and as such probably isn't a wide spread problem but I do wonder what happened to the other people with outstanding orders...

 

[callmemickey]

NAD1983 ... thanks for the update. Also, I am not at all surprised to hear that Matt is the one behind this... there is a long history with this guy. He owes a lot of people bottles and I have personal experience having to deal with his behavior. For those that don't know the back story, this thread from RateBeer is a good start (http://www.ratebeer.com/forums/does-anyone-know-matt-from-wwwbuygoodbeercom_189785.htm)

 

[ExPimp]

NAD1983 ... thanks for the update. Also, I am not at all surprised to hear that Matt is the one behind this... there is a long history with this guy. He owes a lot of people bottles and I have personal experience having to deal with his behavior. For those that don't know the back story, this thread from RateBeer is a good start (http://www.ratebeer.com/forums/does-anyone-know-matt-from-wwwbuygoodbeercom_189785.htm)

Awe ****! I remember this guy and that thread from a long time ago. He was the guy that used to ask what Uli blends were worth and tried trading them for Blauw/Crianza/Blabaer long before anyone even knew who Uli was. Really ****** to hear he is still pulling this kind of crap though...

 

[SeaWatchman]

Ah, Matt... yikes. I would have never thought he'd do that (faking bottles). That many years ago I would have gone for the same deal though. Thanks for sharing, NAD1983.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Exactly one year ago Forgetfu, callmemickey, duketheredeemer, jedwards, SwedishJesus and I clicked the button to turn the L.I project live after nearly two years of researching, writing, and lots of drinking #forscience. In the year since, we've added, corrected, and expanded lots of parts on the site thanks to the help of a lot of great folks in Belgium, the US, and elsewhere. We've had the chance to sit down with a lot of the brewers and blenders, meet a lot of new folks, create a great online community, and learn a ton more about lambic in the process. Thanks to everyone who has helped contribute information, bottle dates, labels, stories, empty bottles, and everything else we've tried to collect into one place! Hopefully this next year will be just as busy as the lambic scene continues to grow and producers come out with even more blends! Cheers!

(Herfst)

 

[holldy01]

http://www.notlambic.info/