I didn’t realize he asked for a pale ale recipe in an ipa thread. Nothing wrong with it but I just assumed it was for a 5.6 ipa. Still, that’s where I would be for a 6% hazy ipa.
I concur..
It's all about balance, the FG, the maltbill will support only so much hops till it becomes overhopped imho, at that point you are just wasting hops.
That can be related to perceived sweetness from the increased alcohol.
This is the same reason why some of the best hazy producers’ target lower FGs on their triple ipas verses singles or double—as the alcohol brings an increased mouthfeel and perceived sweetness.
Is it oxidation? Kinda looks like it....
How many pours in this keg are you?
It's gotta be oxidation
Probably 10, even filled a growler to share. At first I thought I shook it up and got a yeasty pour.. then the color continued to shift. Didn't drop clear, hasn't lost much flavor or aroma. Like I said if you drink it blind you'd never know.... yet.
Aroma and flavor should go first before color if it’s oxidation. Definitely does “look” like it but I’ve never had a beer that was visually oxidized not taste or smell oxidized. So def wondering if the color in this keg is due to something left
I agree, I shouldn't say that the flavor and aroma are the same, it's not the same, but it's not gone, not muted, but definitely not as good as it was.. and I'd say it's dwindling. I'm pretty much trying to crush this keg before the flavor dies completely.. it's fading but in comparison to the color shift the flavor is good. I did all the same process as the other kegs, this one got the bottom of the fermenter so maybe something there but I really think oxidized and I bet in another week or 2 it'll go to hell if it's not gone by then.
I love science... but yeah, I hear ya.
Def get where you coming from, sorry it happened. I would guess oxidation myself with the color change. However other variables could be at play since both pictures are from different kegs. Same keg then definitely that’s the only possible culprit, different kegs there there could be other situations.
I can see that being a thing, but the system I have wouldn't allow that.. I start with 3 dirty kegs, spray them out, fill with pbw and soak overnight, so 3 kegs in my brewery sink filled with pbw before I start my kegging process. Empty the pbw from each keg, rinse all of them thoroughly, fill 1 with starsan and co2 purge into next one, then into the third, then lastly into a bucket that is used for the closed transfer.. all kegs filled and purged with starsan as a last step, if there was anything left behind it would show up in the bucket that is the final vessel of the co2 purging. If, if, by some chance something got left behind it would be minimal, something stuck in a diptube maybe.. but hey, I suppose anything is possible. I'm still convinced it's oxidation and likely the next week of polishing off this keg will indicate that. Hence why I tip my hat to the flawless brewers out there, it's not easy.
Happens to all of us. I’m about to dump a full 5.25 gallons of a 12 month barrel aged dark wheat wine due to acetaldehyde from oxidation (or potential bacterial infection). It’s either that or I adjunct the sh!t out of it lol
Never mind the beer, where did you get the hop chemistry glass from?
Haha, my wife got them for me, but I believe they can be found on Amazon... I know, big surprise.Never mind the beer, where did you get the hop chemistry glass from?
Looks like they originate here but can be found at Etsy and Amazon, only have 12oz glasses here but 16oz are o/s. Not cheap though...
Thanks for the tips. I'll be putting in an order this week for the yeast. Do you harvest or over build your starters on this strain? Wondering is this stain suited for overbuilding considering its a blend.
I overbuild every starter and harvest off 300-500ml for future starters. I was told by Omega that you can use as little as 100ml of harvest for future starters, but I'd rather make more than less. I've gone out to 7 or so generations before getting a new pack. Can't say I see much difference with newer gens, but I like to get a fresh pack at least yearly.
Good to know it's possible to overbuild with this strain.
Well a big part of the pitch for thiolising yeast is that they allow commercial brewers to spend less $$$ on hops...
There are thiolising yeast and there's thiolising yeast.... The original Omega ones used the "natural" yeast IRC7 gene from their Chico strain, which was functional but not switched on in wort. Combining it with a better "switch" and putting the combined structure into British V led to Cosmic Punch.
IIRC, for the typical taster IRC7 Elevated thiols 5x the tasting threshold, where as parB is 100-120x the tasting threshold
Yes, I agree! It's been several years since I used Cosmic Punch but recall it wasn't a thiol bomb.
I have searched to see if WLP-077 is more comparable to Cosmic Punch or the patB strains, no info. Being naturally selected strains hopefully it is not to good at converting thiols, lol. Still on the fence about the recipe. I have the ingredients for it so probably just go with that.
Thanks for the link, I missed that one. They say that "recent research indicates that whirlpool additions significantly contribute to increased precursors concentration in the wort." The recipe they give uses a 60 min whirlpool but pretty low dosage of hops. Maybe it is more time related?
My homebrew club was fortunate to Lance Shaner (co-founder of Omega) do a google meet with us on thiolized yeast and he said thiols are attracted to the hop material and will drop out with the hops during the whirlpool. So the more hops you use in whirlpool, the more thiols drop out, so it become a deminished return. He also mentioned that it’s better to use t45 pellets (cryo, lupomax, cgx) in the whirlpool and dryhop and it will increase the thiols in the final beer.
Ha! Interesting. I've always found thiol heavy beers to have a distinct "cologne" type of flavor and aroma. I never mind it really, but it always sticks out that way to me.
That is what I got with the one batch I made with Helio Gazer. There was this single note character that really stood out and dominated the overall flavor of the beer. I have been a little curious to try a more tame version like Cosmic Punch. A buddy made a lager with Lunar Crush. It was "interesting"...rather "hoppy" for the limited amount of hops he used...but I would have just preferred a small whirlpool or dry hop addition.
