New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[bailey mountain brewer]

Hi guys!

Getting ready to brew for the first time in a while and was hoping to get some input on hop combos.

I've been itching to try both Nectaron and Superdelic but do they go well together and do they live up to the hype?

Was considering something like a 1:1:1 split of Nectaron:Galaxy:Superdelic or maybe Citra in place of Galaxy.

Any input appreciated!

Can't speak to how well they play with Galaxy but my current neipa is 2:1:1 citra:nectaron:superdelic and I'm really enjoying it.

 

[tracer bullet]

Slightly random here, but I tried a batch where I checked the "dry hops" in at high krauzen, instead of my normal process of letting it finish fermenting, chilling it, then adding the hops. I've made this recipe at least a half dozen times, all with very similar results, and this timing of the hop addition was the only change. I noticed 2 things very easily:

1) The hop smell was practically gone
2) It is far more hazy than normal

Does the jive with other's experiences? I want to say yes, but I've gone back a bunch of pages and not seen where I picked that up (especially in regards to haziness and hop timing which I thought was pretty recent).

I don't think I'll time the hops like this again - ever. I had to buy more hops and they are now in the keg after a lot of CO2 purging afterwards. I'll also have to drink this one quickly because I'm sure I didn't get all the O2 out.

 

[Dgallo]

Slightly random here, but I tried a batch where I checked the "dry hops" in at high krauzen, instead of my normal process of letting it finish fermenting, chilling it, then adding the hops. I've made this recipe at least a half dozen times, all with very similar results, and this timing of the hop addition was the only change. I noticed 2 things very easily:

1) The hop smell was practically gone
2) It is far more hazy than normal

Does the jive with other's experiences? I want to say yes, but I've gone back a bunch of pages and not seen where I picked that up (especially in regards to haziness and hop timing which I thought was pretty recent).

I don't think I'll time the hops like this again - ever. I had to buy more hops and they are now in the keg after a lot of CO2 purging afterwards. I'll also have to drink this one quickly because I'm sure I didn't get all the O2 out.

So those both are expected. Fermentation changes hop compounds and also blows off some volatile compounds so it can minimize aroma. Also yeast can attach to oils and drop them out of solution.

The increased hazyness is due to the yeast binding the Polyphenols from the hops and proteins from the wort. This also causes hop burn when excess polyphenols are bound. The haze created is actually less stable because the molecule chains become longer and increase in weight causing them to floc out over the next few weeks

 

[G_robertus]

Hi guys!

Getting ready to brew for the first time in a while and was hoping to get some input on hop combos.

I've been itching to try both Nectaron and Superdelic but do they go well together and do they live up to the hype?

Was considering something like a 1:1:1 split of Nectaron:Galaxy:Superdelic or maybe Citra in place of Galaxy.

Any input appreciated!

Go for Citra. If you have '24 Galaxy you could maybe try, but otherwise I wouldn't.
I brewed using two different lots of Galaxy recently and the quality difference is huge. The '21 batch was decent, '22 is pretty mediocre at best. It has a slight aroma of the dreaded peanut shell aroma. Both also came from different suppliers (exact origin unknown). The '21 batch still was not amazing like it used to be. I'm not a Citra guy usually, but I'm glad I went heavy on Citra for the '21 batch.
This is btw also not accounting for any potential differences between growers/suppliers.

 

[Clyde McCoy]

Anyone brew with 2024 Galaxy from Yakima Valley Hops? Haven’t touched Galaxy in years because it’s been so bad, but it’s cheap and I’m curious…

 

[Dgallo]

Just finished transferring my newest double hazy to the keg. Citra, Rakau, and Nelson. I’ll post again within the week when I pour it. Should turn out solid

 

[Northern_Brewer]

 

[Shenanigans]

Just finished transferring my newest double hazy to the keg. Citra, Rakau, and Nelson. I’ll post again within the week when I pour it. Should turn out solid View attachment 863731

Nice, hope it ends up being a good hop combination.
I plan on brewing a single version with WHC Saturated dry yeast on the weekend.
I also have a Fermonster with posts in the lid but no tap.
My first attempt with a closed transfer was a bit of a fail. The pressure held but I couldn't get it to start transferring on it's own. I got frustrated with it and ended up just releasing the pressure and doing an open transfer as usual. Hopefully it works better this time.

 

[Ulisses4677]

Nice, hope it ends up being a good hop combination.
I plan on brewing a single version with WHC Saturated dry yeast on the weekend.
I also have a Fermonster with posts in the lid but no tap.
My first attempt with a closed transfer was a bit of a fail. The pressure held but I couldn't get it to start transferring on it's own. I got frustrated with it and ended up just releasing the pressure and doing an open transfer as usual. Hopefully it works better this time.

Get a spunding valve so you can measure the amount of co2. I ferment in kegs and when I’m close to hitting terminal I’ll remove my blow off hose and connect my spunding valve. I’ll let it build up to 10 psi to naturally carbonate and transfer.

What I got left after transferring to serving keg. Citra,rakau, nz cascade.

 

[beervoid]

how are you planning to drink it if it turns out solid?

Just finished transferring my newest double hazy to the keg. Citra, Rakau, and Nelson. I’ll post again within the week when I pour it. Should turn out solid View attachment 863731

 

[TwitchellBrew]

Just finished transferring my newest double hazy to the keg. Citra, Rakau, and Nelson. I’ll post again within the week when I pour it. Should turn out solid View attachment 863731

I have a spigot on my fermenter as well. I started bagging dry hops because they were not settling out low enough and a lot were transferring to the keg. Do you dry hop in a separate vessel? Id love to find a way to not bag them but am leaning towards just purchasing another setup.

 

[Dgallo]

I have a spigot on my fermenter as well. I started bagging dry hops because they were not settling out low enough and a lot were transferring to the keg. Do you dry hop in a separate vessel? Id love to find a way to not bag them but am leaning towards just purchasing another setup.

I don’t always use the spigot. There is a floating diptube on my modified cap but I was able to tilt the fermenter while crashing to get the trub and hops to settle far enough back to transfer from it. Speed the transfer up 10 fold going through the 5/16 line vs. the 3mm floating dip tube.

I wouldn’t bag the hops. Increased o2 risks, contamination, and greatly reduces extraction of the hops.

What is your current fv setup?

 

[TwitchellBrew]

I don’t always use the spigot. There is a floating diptube on my modified cap but I was able to tilt the fermenter while crashing to get the trub and hops to settle far enough back to transfer from it. Speed the transfer up 10 fold going through the 5/16 line vs. the 3mm floating dip tube.

I wouldn’t bag the hops. Increased o2 risks, contamination, and greatly reduces extraction of the hops.

What is your current fv setup?

Totally agree with you! Bagging sucks but not as much as a clogged outpost. I have an older big mouth bubbler (before they changed the lids). I actually saw your setup before and was leaning towards that option. But then I saw this post and wondered if you switched. I’m gonna try tilting during my next cold crash and see how that goes.

 

[kurds_2408]

Nice, hope it ends up being a good hop combination.
I plan on brewing a single version with WHC Saturated dry yeast on the weekend.
I also have a Fermonster with posts in the lid but no tap.
My first attempt with a closed transfer was a bit of a fail. The pressure held but I couldn't get it to start transferring on it's own. I got frustrated with it and ended up just releasing the pressure and doing an open transfer as usual. Hopefully it works better this time.

I’ve added spigots to my Fermonster before. The non spigot models are the same mold and have the spot for a spigot. Just have to drill it.

Totally agree with you! Bagging sucks but not as much as a clogged outpost. I have an older big mouth bubbler (before they changed the lids). I actually saw your setup before and was leaning towards that option. But then I saw this post and wondered if you switched. I’m gonna try tilting during my next cold crash and see how that goes.

I run Fermonsters with just a single post in the lid and no dip tube. I do all closed transfers with the spigot. The spigot on the Fermonster is pretty high. I measured it as leaving .6 gallons behind.

 

[Shenanigans]

Get a spunding valve so you can measure the amount of co2. I ferment in kegs and when I’m close to hitting terminal I’ll remove my blow off hose and connect my spunding valve. I’ll let it build up to 10 psi to naturally carbonate and transfer.View attachment 863761
What I got left after transferring to serving keg. Citra,rakau, nz cascade.

I have a spunding valve and kept the FV connected to gas at about 2 PSI during the soft crash. The fermonster is plastic so I didn't want to go too high with the pressure as it could crack the lid. I was aiming for an automatic transfer by pressure compensation without using additional gas from the bottle. I had the keg at 2 PSI and FV at 3 PSI, when I tried the transfer, but nothing happened. Maybe I was too cautious when I tried to transfer but have read it can get a bit wild with too much of a pressure difference between both vessels and disturb the settled hops and yeast back up into the beer.

I was kinda in a rush so ended up doing an open transfer in the end.
This time I will hopefully have more time to experiment a bit with the pressure difference before giving up

 

[Oldskewl]

I have been trying to do a closed transfer with an SS Brewbucket and going comando on my dryhops(pellets) the last few batches. I always cracked the lid and bagged with marbles in the past. I finally had success on my recent 2.5gal batch using a floating diptube on the racking arm. Only issue was when I cracked the lid open at the end it appeared that a portion of the hops were still floating on top of the beer. I added 2 oz cryo hops and 1 oz T90. Any recommendations for ensuring the loose hop pellets make their way down into the beer? It would seem counterproductive to shake or swirl the fermenter after I did all that work soft crashing and cold crashing. Btw, I soft crashed to 56F and cold crashed to 35F. Soft crashed for 36 hours, dry hopped for 3 days and cold crashed for 2 days.

 

[elproducto]

I have been trying to do a closed transfer with an SS Brewbucket and going comando on my dryhops(pellets) the last few batches. I always cracked the lid and bagged with marbles in the past. I finally had success on my recent 2.5gal batch using a floating diptube on the racking arm. Only issue was when I cracked the lid open at the end it appeared that a portion of the hops were still floating on top of the beer. I added 2 oz cryo hops and 1 oz T90. Any recommendations for ensuring the loose hop pellets make their way down into the beer? It would seem counterproductive to shake or swirl the fermenter after I did all that work soft crashing and cold crashing. Btw, I soft crashed to 56F and cold crashed to 35F. Soft crashed for 36 hours, dry hopped for 3 days and cold crashed for 2 days.

I'm no expert, but I add a couple PSI of pressure, which seems to keep them down. Not sure if you can do that with your setup.

 

[Dgallo]

I have been trying to do a closed transfer with an SS Brewbucket and going comando on my dryhops(pellets) the last few batches. I always cracked the lid and bagged with marbles in the past. I finally had success on my recent 2.5gal batch using a floating diptube on the racking arm. Only issue was when I cracked the lid open at the end it appeared that a portion of the hops were still floating on top of the beer. I added 2 oz cryo hops and 1 oz T90. Any recommendations for ensuring the loose hop pellets make their way down into the beer? It would seem counterproductive to shake or swirl the fermenter after I did all that work soft crashing and cold crashing. Btw, I soft crashed to 56F and cold crashed to 35F. Soft crashed for 36 hours, dry hopped for 3 days and cold crashed for 2 days.

If you have the capabilities, you can Drop temperature in the 50s or rocking the fermenter a few times during dryhoping. They are floating due to active yeast or the beer degassing

 

[Oldskewl]

I'm no expert, but I add a couple PSI of pressure, which seems to keep them down. Not sure if you can do that with your setup.

I did have about 2 psi on the fermenter to keep positive pressure on the beer. I will try rocking after adding the hops next time. Unfortunately being a stainless steel vessel you can't see what is going on inside until you crack the lid open. That is my only complaint with the SS Brewbuckets.

 

[agentbud]

^ - agree. I was using ss brewbuckets for a while. They were nice but it got to the point where i just couldn't stand not being able to see what was happening in there. switched to a fermzilla and happy so far.

 

[Ulisses4677]

Cheers

 

[Sleepy_D]

Anyone brew with 2024 Galaxy from Yakima Valley Hops? Haven’t touched Galaxy in years because it’s been so bad, but it’s cheap and I’m curious…

I’d also like to know, I got their Black Friday deal with citra, mosaic, galaxy and eclipse. Has anyone used this years crop from them yet?

 

[Shenanigans]

Voss will give some orange notes, so if you want that it’s great, if you don’t I would recommend another yeast.

If you are adjusting your ph, I believe kveik drops the ph more than LAIII or similar British ale yeasts, so you might not need to adjust down so much to prepare for the dry hop. Worth a google.

Thanks for the info, I actually managed to fit in a brew day on the weekend so was able to use WHC Saturated which is a dry version of LAIII.
Will have a look into the background/practice of pH adjustment before I dry hop.

 

[jordanfrenzy]

I've recently refurbed some Anvil Bucket fermenters that I've had laying around for a while. Does anyone have any experience minimizing O2 pickup when dry hopping with these guys? I've got the pressure transfer kit, so I'm pretty confident I can do that all closed, but I'm struggling to think of good ways to dry hop.

Do people still do the magnet suspended dry hop bag? That always seemed a little wonky to me with the dry hops sitting open in the fermenter with plenty of oxygen for so long. Other options may be to get the tri-clamp lid and buy a hop bong, though I probably could just buy a Fermzilla or something at that price point.

I dry hopped tonight by attaching my CO2 utility line through the top bung at very low pressure. Burped it a few times then opened quickly, dumped the hops and burped it again. Seems like that's problem gonna lead to some O2 pickup.

Anyone else still using these and brewing NEIPA?

 

[Dgallo]

I've recently refurbed some Anvil Bucket fermenters that I've had laying around for a while. Does anyone have any experience minimizing O2 pickup when dry hopping with these guys? I've got the pressure transfer kit, so I'm pretty confident I can do that all closed, but I'm struggling to think of good ways to dry hop.

Do people still do the magnet suspended dry hop bag? That always seemed a little wonky to me with the dry hops sitting open in the fermenter with plenty of oxygen for so long. Other options may be to get the tri-clamp lid and buy a hop bong, though I probably could just buy a Fermzilla or something at that price point.

I dry hopped tonight by attaching my CO2 utility line through the top bung at very low pressure. Burped it a few times then opened quickly, dumped the hops and burped it again. Seems like that's problem gonna lead to some O2 pickup.

Anyone else still using these and brewing NEIPA?

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The only way I thing you could make it work would be to attach the elbow that is in the bung to some type of hose or floating dip tube that sits just below the beers surface so that when you drop you turn on the gas, take out the bung when the gas is still running, take a sanitized funnel of some sort and throw in your dry hops. Keep the gas running and then kill. It as your pushing the back in

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

The only way I thing you could make it work would be to attach the elbow that is in the bung to some type of hose or floating dip tube that sits just below the beers surface so that when you drop you turn on the gas, take out the bung when the gas is still running, take a sanitized funnel of some sort and throw in your dry hops. Keep the gas running and then kill. It as your pushing the back in

This I similar to what I used to do before I built my hop dropper setup for my conical... it worked but I would occasionally still get some oxidation, hence why I built my hop dropper and no problem since.. that said this method can work, but a better scenario would be a dedicated dry hop keg or other vessel to close transfer to. If you go with the funnel while pushing co2 be sure to purge a few times with co2 after, also, keep in mind that most funnels taper to much and hops get clogged in there, I cut the bottom off of a food grade plastic funnel to avoid clogging and still had to kinda tap the funnel as I was adding the hops.

 

[ihavenonickname]

I would give it the fermonster mod - add Ballock Posts to the lid so you can push co2 in while you dry hop through the bung hole.

That’s right, BP for the bung hole.

 

[Dgallo]

My latest hazy is pouring. Citra t90 & cryo, Freestyle Nelson, & Rakau

 

[Ulisses4677]

My latest hazy is pouring. Citra t90 & cryo, Freestyle Nelson, & Rakau View attachment 864462

Freestyle Nelson, I’m jealous.

 

[Ulisses4677]

Mrchainsaw

 

[aaronm13]

My latest hazy is pouring. Citra t90 & cryo, Freestyle Nelson, & Rakau View attachment 864462

How are you finding LAIII in your recent brews, does it mask the hops like Verdant does? Think I'm done with A24, I'm finding it too unpredictable as its such a strong attenuator. LAIII was great at finishing around 1.020-22 for me.

 

[Dgallo]

How are you finding LAIII in your recent brews, does it mask the hops like Verdant does? Think I'm done with A24, I'm finding it too unpredictable as its such a strong attenuator. LAIII was great at finishing around 1.020-22 for me.

To be honest I think all LAIII type strains suck for hop expression, They all mute it to some extent, I feel it’s always a general hop character. At the same time, it’s the mouthfeel from it your after. I feel imperial juice is the best of them.

I’m still a big fan of dryhop though.

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

This is why we have to use a metric ****ton of hops to get our target flavor from them. I've been using white labs coastal haze, la3 blend of some sort from them, with decent results, I've used imperial a few times but my lhbs doesn't carry it and I like buying from them.

 

[LumberZach]

I'll be using Omega's version of London III, OYL-011 British Ale V on Thursday.

 

[LCBA]

To be honest I think all LAIII type strains suck for hop expression, They all mute it to some extent, I feel it’s always a general hop character. At the same time, it’s the mouthfeel from it your after. I feel imperial juice is the best of them.

I’m still a big fan of dryhop though.

What yeast do you typically prefer, 1272?

 

[Dgallo]

What yeast do you typically prefer, 1272?

I prefer A24 for hop expression

I prefer LAIII types for body.

For either you have to give up something to gain something IMO. Recently I’ve brewed more with laIII. I feel London Fog mutes the hops the most and imperial Juice gives the best expression. But again, this is all anecdotal and only based on my experience

 

[aaronm13]

To be honest I think all LAIII type strains suck for hop expression, They all mute it to some extent, I feel it’s always a general hop character. At the same time, it’s the mouthfeel from it your after. I feel imperial juice is the best of them.

I’m still a big fan of dryhop though.

That's a shame. LAIII does leave an incredible body but the muted hops is a real issue. I must try Juice as I don't think I have. Is there a Wyeast/White Labs version of it as Imperial Yeast is really hard for me to get and super expensive?

I really like what A24 brings to the table but I just can't get it to finish where I want it, it always over attenuates me even on my last DIPA that I mashed at 156 it still finished at 1,014

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

If you like it and your only gripe is attenuation then throw some maltodextrin in there and call it a day.

 

[Dgallo]

If you like it and your only gripe is attenuation then throw some maltodextrin in there and call it a day.

Unfortunately a24 has the sta1 gene so it’s it creates an enzyme the breaks down maltodextrin intro consumable sugars. So you’d have to add it cold side

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

Well ain't that some ****, do you believe it will break it down completely or just a percentage of it? I mean I'd say add some potassium sorbate when you hit your desired gravity, as long as you're kegging, bit that's just another opportunity for oxidation. It's a challenging hobby we have..

Edit: coastal haze, my go to for neipa, is also sta1 positive, but the couple times I used malto, I had a higher fg... so coincidence or did it ferment some but not all?