New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[Ulisses4677]

Final decision made will be brewed this weekend


Hazy double
70% - 2row
15% - spelt
15% - malted oats
OG - 1.085
FG: - 1.022

Hotside
2:1 citra /rakau

Dryhop
1:2:1 citra cryo/ rakau / freestyle Nelson

Brewed almost an identical recipe yesterday.
67% rahr 2row
33% flaked oats
Didn’t hit Og but close enough
OG 1.085
Final 1.023
Hot side : rakau @ 30 min for 6 ibu : rakau @ 15 min for 8 ibu : WP rakau for 20 ibus
Dry hop 1 rakau, citra 3:1
Dry hop 2 citra Cryo , rakau, nz cascade
Fermented @ 70F with wyeast 1272

 

[Dgallo]

Brewed almost an identical recipe yesterday.
67% rahr 2row
33% flaked oats
Didn’t hit Og but close enough
OG 1.085
Final 1.023
Hot side : rakau @ 30 min for 6 ibu : rakau @ 15 min for 8 ibu : WP rakau for 20 ibus
Dry hop 1 rakau, citra 3:1
Dry hop 2 citra Cryo , rakau, nz cascade
Fermented @ 70F with wyeast 1272

Nice man! Sounds like it should be great.

 

[Ulisses4677]

Nice man! Sounds like it should be great.

Thanks man. My last batch turned out great.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Nice paper on the chemistry that makes beer and wine taste different :
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jafc.4c06838
A comprehensive literature survey returned 14 845 concentration values obtained from 160 beer and 904 wine samples, covering 42 basic beer and 42 basic wine odorants, among which 40 were common to both beverages. Based on mean concentrations and a comparison with threshold data, 29 beer and 32 wine odorants were finally selected to build aroma base models that reflected the basic olfactory difference between beer and wine. Orthonasal concentration leveling tests applied to groups of odorants with similar odor characteristics finally revealed the crucial role of fruity smelling compounds. When 11 fruity compounds, predominantly esters, in the beer aroma base model were adjusted to the respective concentration levels in the wine aroma base model, the sensory panel no longer described the sample as beer-like but as wine-like.

This is another fun paper from TUB and Sao Paulo about how eg soluble protein in different barley varieties may have unpredictable relationships with FAN, barley polyphenols and even the types of protein. So barley variety may have an effect, albeit of the order of 20-30%, on things we care about like haze and hop utilisation, although it's worth emphasising this is early days and most people here probably don't have access to malt made from Solist and Liga barley to test the differences....
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/acs.jafc.4c04396
A persistent challenge in brewing is the efficient utilization of hop bitter acids, with about 50% of these compounds precipitating with trub during wort boiling. This study aims to uncover the correlation between the barley cultivar proteome and hop bitter acid utilization during wort boiling. Therefore, comparative experiments were conducted using two cultivars, Liga and Solist, with varying proteomes to identify specific proteins’ role in hop bitter acids precipitation. High-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) was used to measure hop bitter acid content, while liquid chromatography-tandem mass spectrometry (LC-MS/MS) was used to quantify and identify proteins. The 107 protein groups, particularly enzymes linked to barley metabolic defense mechanisms, exhibited significant differences between the two cultivars. Results revealed significantly lower α- and iso-α-acid content in wort produced from the barley cultivar Liga.

 

[aaronm13]

Is Krush a good hot side hop to use in the whirlpool or better to keep it in the dry hop? Trying to plan my hop schedule for this weekends brew. Going with Krush, Citra and Mosaic. Thinking Citra/Mosaic 2:1 hotside and then in the dry hop Citra 6oz, Krush 4oz and Mosaic 2oz. Do these amounts look ok? Never tried Krush so not sure how potent it is but would like it to be noticeable. Still might up these amounts and add Krush hot side too, still working on it.

 

[Ulisses4677]

 

[Ulisses4677]

I hope this helps.

 

[aaronm13]

I hope this helps.

Thanks, looks a great candidate for hot side so. I must save that graph as I only have an older version of it.

 

[CascadesBrewer]

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Thanks. I have not see this version with New Zealand varieties included.

It looks like Krush (aka HBC 586) is toward the top of the list. I have a pack of HBC 586 that I need to put to use.

Ekuanot is a hop I don't hear much about these days.

 

[Ulisses4677]

Thanks. I have not see this version with New Zealand varieties included.

It looks like Krush (aka HBC 586) is toward the top of the list. I have a pack of HBC 586 that I need to put to use.

Ekuanot is a hop I don't hear much about these days.

ekuanot is a great hot side hop but it can be very over powering in the dry hop if you ever use it keep it under 20%. Very high in cohumulone. I treat it like all Australian hops or American c hops aside from citra of course.

 

[BongoYodeler]

ekuanot is a great hot side hop but it can be very over powering in the dry hop if you ever use it keep it under 20%. Very high in cohumulone. I treat it like all Australian hops or American c hops aside from citra of course.

Interesting. I've got two YVH 4oz bags of Ekuanot hop hash. Also two same size bags of Citra hop hash. I've been trying to figure out how best to use them. How would these be in a whirlpool/hopstand instead of DH?

 

[Dgallo]

Interesting. I've got two YVH 4oz bags of Ekuanot hop hash. Also two same size bags of Citra hop hash. I've been trying to figure out how best to use them. How would these be in a whirlpool/hopstand instead of DH?

I’d personally would use the Ekaunot hotside, whirlpool or dip hopping.

For the citra, my question is how hard is it? I’ve had loose and sticky hop hash and I’ve had hard as a rock hop hash. If it soft just dryhop with it. If it’s hard as a rock, I’ve had success running it through the blender and add it in with your dryhop

 

[BongoYodeler]

I’d personally would use the Ekaunot hotside, whirlpool or dip hopping.

For the citra, my question is how hard is it? I’ve have loose and sticky hop hash and I’ve had hard as a rock hop hash. If it soft just dryhop with it. If it’s hard as a rock, I’ve had success running it through the blender and add it in with your dryhop

Thanks. I'm not actually sure, I threw all four packs in the freezer the day they arrived. I suppose I could pull them out of the freezer and take a look, (actually a feel).

 

[Ulisses4677]

I’d personally would use the Ekaunot hotside, whirlpool or dip hopping.

For the citra, my question is how hard is it? I’ve have loose and sticky hop hash and I’ve had hard as a rock hop hash. If it soft just dryhop with it. If it’s hard as a rock, I’ve had success running it through the blender and add it in with your dryhop

I would personally make a west coast ipa.

 

[Dgallo]

I would personally make a west coast ipa.

Def works there too. Have you used hop hash before? Really cool character with it

 

[Ulisses4677]

Def works there too. Have you used hop hash before? Really cool character with it

Yes a while back I brewed a Nelson, mosaic double ipa with mosaic hash in my final dh. It’s pretty awesome. I just don’t buy hops from yvh very often to use it.

 

[Dgallo]

Sharing this in a few threads today so you may see it more than once. If your someone who really enjoys dank hops (like me) this is the lot for you. Very dank cannabis forward with a nice citrus undertone, but it has no allium notes (no oniony character). It’s also only $6.99/lb right now.

Just thought I’d share. Lot info in the top left of label

 

[Ulisses4677]

Sharing this in a few threads today so you may see it more than once. If your someone who really enjoys dank hops (like me) this is the lot for you. Very dank cannabis forward with a nice citrus undertone, but it has no allium notes (no oniony character). It’s also only $6.99/lb right now.

Just thought I’d share. Lot info in the top left of label View attachment 862590

Love me some Hopalliance hops. I like that they provide lot number.

 

[aaronm13]

Sharing this in a few threads today so you may see it more than once. If your someone who really enjoys dank hops (like me) this is the lot for you. Very dank cannabis forward with a nice citrus undertone, but it has no allium notes (no oniony character). It’s also only $6.99/lb right now.

Just thought I’d share. Lot info in the top left of label View attachment 862590

What's the quality like of their hops compared to YVH, especially NZ hops as I don't find Yakima's to be anything special? They've some great prices by the lb.

 

[Dgallo]

What's the quality like of their hops compared to YVH, especially NZ hops as I don't find Yakima's to be anything special? They've some great prices by the lb.

Really depends. I think Yakima valley is more consistent and definitely better on some varieties. That said hop alliance is pretty solid and they give hop lot specific data for you the hsi which is great and there are times you get stupid good quality lol

 

[aaronm13]

Really depends. I think Yakima valley is more consistent and definitely better on some varieties. That said hop alliance is pretty solid and they give hop lot specific data for you the hsi which is great and there are times you get stupid good quality lol

Ha, like everything in homebrew, you just gotta roll the dice. I must try them out sometime.

 

[mrcastellino]

Really depends. I think Yakima valley is more consistent and definitely better on some varieties. That said hop alliance is pretty solid and they give hop lot specific data for you the hsi which is great and there are times you get stupid good quality lol

What varieties from YVH have been dependable and standouts for you? Ive never gotten anything from them that has been amazing. Just ‘good’ at best. While we are talking about Columbus, after my second pound of that variety from them going into the trash, I wont even try to order it from them anymore. So much onion/garlic to the point its unusable. Much better luck with Yakima Chief.

 

[Dgallo]

What varieties from YVH have been dependable and standouts for you? Ive never gotten anything from them that has been amazing. Just ‘good’ at best. While we are talking about Columbus, after my second pound of that variety from them going into the trash, I wont even try to order it from them anymore. So much onion/garlic to the point it’s unusable. Much better luck with Yakima Chief.

To help you not waste hops I’ll share that that character of onion and garlic is from late harvesting and it’s the degradation of the thiols which are sulfur compounds. Don’t toss these hops, just make sure to only use them hotside so boiling and the yeast will take care of them. When used as a dryhop they stick around.

I’ve had great luck with any hops that are proprietary to haas such as citra, talus, McKenzie, and etc. if your not aware john haas is a major stake holder/owner in YVH and it seems they get very good lots of haas hops

 

[ihavenonickname]

Anyone try ‘24 Galaxy from YVH? I didn’t have the guts to order any today, seems too risky for me still.

 

[jordanfrenzy]

Anyone try ‘24 Galaxy from YVH? I didn’t have the guts to order any today, seems too risky for me still.

Yeah. It's alright. No peanut shells/diesel that people have commented on in the past. Some of that early Galaxy passion fruit, but I'm on about Day 4 or so in the keg and I think I'm starting to get a little green onion/garlic. This was a Congress St-ish beer. Bittered with '23 YVH Columbus, little bit of Columbus in the WP/DH but mainly Galaxy (~8oz or so)

 

[Shenanigans]

Lads, I was planning on brewing on the first weekend of December to have a nice NEIPA for the holidays.
Now my better half want to go to some cr@p Christmas Markets with me around that time.
So I'm not sure when I can fit in a brew day.
To be flexible and reduce fermentation time so the beer's ready quicker I will use a kveik yeast at about 35 degrees celcius.
I have some harvested Lallemand Voss and a dry pack of WHC Hornindal.
Which one would be better to use for an NEIPA?
Anything I should change in the process due to the high fermentation temperature; like reduce the whirlpool hops and add more to the dry hops for example?
Still working a recipe so if anyone has one where they used kveik I'd be interested to know
Thanks!

 

[Ulisses4677]

Last pour Evan better lol

 

[LCBA]

Lads, I was planning on brewing on the first weekend of December to have a nice NEIPA for the holidays.
Now my better half want to go to some cr@p Christmas Markets with me around that time.
So I'm not sure when I can fit in a brew day.
To be flexible and reduce fermentation time so the beer's ready quicker I will use a kveik yeast at about 35 degrees celcius.
I have some harvested Lallemand Voss and a dry pack of WHC Hornindal.
Which one would be better to use for an NEIPA?
Anything I should change in the process due to the high fermentation temperature; like reduce the whirlpool hops and add more to the dry hops for example?
Still working a recipe so if anyone has one where they used kveik I'd be interested to know
Thanks!

Voss will give some orange notes, so if you want that it’s great, if you don’t I would recommend another yeast.

If you are adjusting your ph, I believe kveik drops the ph more than LAIII or similar British ale yeasts, so you might not need to adjust down so much to prepare for the dry hop. Worth a google.

 

[redrocker652002]

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Last pour Evan better lol

My oh my that looks really good. I don't remember if I asked for the recipe on that one or not. LOL

 

[Dgallo]

Brew day!

Grains
70% 2 row
15% malted oats
15% spelt
Og: 1.085
FG: 1.022 (expected)

Yeast - g3 London ale III

Hotside hops - 30 ibus
2:1 rakau to citra

Dryhop
1:1:1 rakau, citra cryo , freestyle Nelson

 

[Ulisses4677]

Brew day!

Grains
70% 2 row
15% malted oats
15% spelt
Og: 1.085
FG: 1.022 (expected)

Yeast - g3 London ale III

Hotside hops - 30 ibus
2:1 rakau to citra

Dryhop
1:1:1 rakau, citra cryo , freestyle Nelson
View attachment 862983

Brewing a Helles single decoction as we speak. Can never go wrong with Sierra Nevada

 

[redrocker652002]

I dig Sierra Nevada but must admit I have never tried that one. Might need to take a ride to Wines and More and see if they have it.

 

[Dgallo]

I dig Sierra Nevada but must admit I have never tried that one. Might need to take a ride to Wines and More and see if they have it.

This is their best. Their wet hop ale

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

Having a pour of my citra:nectaron:superdelic neipa. Happy with this batch. Bad lighting, I'll get a better Pic one of These days

 

[Ulisses4677]

My oh my that looks really good. I don't remember if I asked for the recipe on that one or not. LOL

Og 1080
Fg 1022
7.5 gallon batch
60% 2 row
40% flaked oats
16 ibus hot side usually at 30 min.
Nectaron in the whirlpool
First dry hop Superdelic, citra 60/40%
Second dry hop rakau,superdelic,citra 60/30/10%
Yeast : wyeast 1272
Ferm temp: 70F

 

[redrocker652002]

Og 1080
Fg 1022
7.5 gallon batch
60% 2 row
40% flaked oats
16 ibus hot side usually at 30 min.
Nectaron in the whirlpool
First dry hop Superdelic, citra 60/40%
Second dry hop rakau,superdelic,citra 60/30/10%
Yeast : wyeast 1272
Ferm temp: 70F

What did you use to get the 16 IBU's on the hot side? I was thinking Cascade because I have that. Also, if I were to drop it down to say 6 to 7 ABV would that mess with the overall look and taste? Also, on your hop additions would you be able to provide me with a the amounts? I am still not very good at building recipes so I would want to use this as a base and then tweak it as needed. If I am asking too much, I understand. I just thought it really looked pretty good. Thanks in advance for anything you can provide.

 

[Ulisses4677]

What did you use to get the 16 IBU's on the hot side? I was thinking Cascade because I have that. Also, if I were to drop it down to say 6 to 7 ABV would that mess with the overall look and taste? Also, on your hop additions would you be able to provide me with a the amounts? I am still not very good at building recipes so I would want to use this as a base and then tweak it as needed. If I am asking too much, I understand. I just thought it really looked pretty good. Thanks in advance for anything you can provide.

I used Nectaron at 30min and 8oz in the whirlpool. I did 3oz per gallon for the dry hop. I usually split my drop hops to get better extraction. I would probably do 70 base and 30 % adjucts for a single and mash at 155f. Maybe 1.5 to 2 oz per gallon. I mashed at 152F for my doubles.

 

[Strix]

Hi guys!

Getting ready to brew for the first time in a while and was hoping to get some input on hop combos.

I've been itching to try both Nectaron and Superdelic but do they go well together and do they live up to the hype?

Was considering something like a 1:1:1 split of Nectaron:Galaxy:Superdelic or maybe Citra in place of Galaxy.

Any input appreciated!

 

[anteater8]

Finally brewed yesterday after an 8 month hiatus... hopefully I haven't lost my touch!

12 lb Pils
5 lb Malted oat
4 lb Flaked oat
3 lb Wheat
0.5 lb Maltodextrin

0.15 oz Warrior 60 min (6 IBU)
2 oz Citra WP @ 170 (20 min)
2 oz Krush Lupo WP @ 170 (20 min)
8 oz Citra DH
2 oz Citra Lupomax DH
6 oz Krush DH

Imperial Juice

O.G. = 1.078

 

[aaronm13]

Just took a sample for a VDK test of the beer I brewed last week with A24 and it's down from 1.085 - 1.014 even though I mashed at 156F. I just can't seem to get that strain to finish high. Was aiming for a finish of around 1.022. I did add a small dry hop mid ferment so reckon I got crazy hop creep. Sample is very thin and boozy, sitting at 9.4%

Will soft crash is it passes the test and finish dry hopping over the next few days.