New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[wepeeler]

I absolutely love what it brings to the table (I use spelt and oat in combination) but the cost and access to spelt is why I don’t use it more


The only place I know of that carries spelt it is Great fermentations and they just take too long to get your order for how my life is now. Typically takes 5-7 days for them to pull the order than another 3-5 in shipping. Usually I find out a day or so before that I will have time to brew lol

https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/spelt_oz.htm

FYI, I'm in CT, and I usually get every order from BH within 2 days.

 

[BongoYodeler]

I absolutely love what it brings to the table (I use spelt and oat in combination) but the cost and access to spelt is why I don’t use it more


The only place I know of that carries spelt it is Great fermentations and they just take too long to get your order for how my life is now. Typically takes 5-7 days for them to pull the order than another 3-5 in shipping. Usually I find out a day or so before that I will have time to brew lol

I've been working on a neipa recipe and would like to use spelt and malted oats. I found that Williams Brewing here in California has spelt in stock. It's a bit pricey though. Williams generally has fairly quick turnaround, though shipping still has to go across country to you.

 

[BongoYodeler]

https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/spelt_oz.htm

That's a great price compared to where I was looking. Damn, I already placed an order to Brew Hardware a few days ago, and it's on the way. Had I known I would have thrown the spelt on the order.

 

[Dgallo]

https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/spelt_oz.htm

FYI, I'm in CT, and I usually get every order from BH within 2 days.

Thanks. That’s also almost a $1 less too. Bobby for the win!

 

[aaronm13]

I absolutely love what it brings to the table (I use spelt and oat in combination) but the cost and access to spelt is why I don’t use it more


The only place I know of that carries spelt it is Great fermentations and they just take too long to get your order for how my life is now. Typically takes 5-7 days for them to pull the order than another 3-5 in shipping. Usually I find out a day or so before that I will have time to brew lol

What percentage of Spelt would you normally aim for on a DIPA?

 

[Dgallo]

What percentage of Spelt would you normally aim for on a DIPA?

I use about 15-20% if pairing it with oats and 30% if by itself

 

[aaronm13]

I use about 15-20% if pairing it with oats and 30% if by itself

I should up my amounts so. Working on a new recipe and its 20% oats, a mix of flaked and malted and had Spelt at only 5%. I think I'll boost it to at least 10% if I have enough on hand.

 

[Shenanigans]

I absolutely love what it brings to the table (I use spelt and oat in combination) but the cost and access to spelt is why I don’t use it more


The only place I know of that carries spelt it is Great fermentations and they just take too long to get your order for how my life is now. Typically takes 5-7 days for them to pull the order than another 3-5 in shipping. Usually I find out a day or so before that I will have time to brew lol

Good stuff. Well I guess my next brew will be an NEIPA with spelt
I also a have problem with being able to plan a brew day far in advance which is why I have about 150kg of base malts and about 50 different crystal/roast/special malts in my basement. That way I can brew pretty much whatever I feel like once I get the go ahead. :

 

[Shenanigans]

Double post

 

[jordanfrenzy]

Saw a few questions about YVH Galaxy '24. I've got a Trillium Congress St inspired beer with about 8oz of Galaxy 24 midway through fermentation. I'll try to remember to report back.

Good to see a lot of Fidens talk. I listened to the Green Cheek/NP/Fidens CBB episode recently too. The Citra/Nelson love made me rethink some of my hop choices, and made me wish I had ordered more of both from YVH. I think I've only had one collab from them since they don't make it out to Denver too often (though we did just get a lot on draft for GABF week).

Gonna try a Fidenish grain bill with some fresh HBC1019

73.7% Rahr 2 Row
15.8% Malted Oats
5.3% Bestmalz Chit
5.3% Brewers Crystals (my efficiency sucks)

2:1:1 HBC1019/Citra/Nelson WP
4:3:2 HBC1019/Citra/Nelson DH

LAIII or A24... too scared to try American Ale II even though it would be closer if I were trying to clone.

I'm a bit worried about some comments I've read about HBC1019 dominating so I dialed it back a bit in total volume. We'll see.

 

[LumberZach]

Saw a few questions about YVH Galaxy '24. I've got a Trillium Congress St inspired beer with about 8oz of Galaxy 24 midway through fermentation. I'll try to remember to report back.

Good to see a lot of Fidens talk. I listened to the Green Cheek/NP/Fidens CBB episode recently too. The Citra/Nelson love made me rethink some of my hop choices, and made me wish I had ordered more of both from YVH. I think I've only had one collab from them since they don't make it out to Denver too often (though we did just get a lot on draft for GABF week).

Gonna try a Fidenish grain bill with some fresh HBC1019

73.7% Rahr 2 Row
15.8% Malted Oats
5.3% Bestmalz Chit
5.3% Brewers Crystals (my efficiency sucks)

2:1:1 HBC1019/Citra/Nelson WP
4:3:2 HBC1019/Citra/Nelson DH

LAIII or A24... too scared to try American Ale II even though it would be closer if I were trying to clone.

I'm a bit worried about some comments I've read about HBC1019 dominating so I dialed it back a bit in total volume. We'll see.

Prepare yourself for when you open that bag of 1019. It's the most pungent fruity smell I've smelled from a bag of hops since 2016 Galaxy.

 

[jordanfrenzy]

Prepare yourself for when you open that bag of 1019. It's the most pungent fruity smell I've smelled from a bag of hops since 2016 Galaxy.

Nice. I made sure to grab some after having this Up Stream beer from Fremont and Societe:

https://www.fremontbrewing.com/up-stream

I got it fresh and it was pretty mind blowing. They paired it with completely different hops than I am - Cascade, Strata, and Centennial - but man it was incredible. Candied, dank orange. No one seemed to care about it around here so I got some cans for cheap a month later and it seems to fade quick.

 

[tracer bullet]

I'm outlining my next brew and am thinking Citra, Superdelic, and Nectaron. I think I probably cribbed that form someone else's recipe here a while back, if so, thank you. Mostly 2-Row with good helpings of Spelt, Flaked Oats, and White Wheat perhaps with a dash of Honey Malt. It'll be Omega Brit V (OYL-011) because that's the brand the shop carries.

The only thing I'm stalling on is the Citra. I've had enough Citra, it feels like. I feel like I can identify it, and though I don't dislike it, it just seems like I'm ready to have a beer without it.

Would it be OK to do these hops in a 1:1:1 type ratio, or maybe sub out the Citra with something else? I've always been a fan of Mosaic. I've historically aimed for a brew that mimics orange juice, but am thinking more passion fruit / pineapple this time. Would love a recommendation to finalize my shopping list.

 

[Ulisses4677]

DDh complete. This beer is insane.

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

I'm outlining my next brew and am thinking Citra, Superdelic, and Nectaron. I think I probably cribbed that form someone else's recipe here a while back, if so, thank you. Mostly 2-Row with good helpings of Spelt, Flaked Oats, and White Wheat perhaps with a dash of Honey Malt. It'll be Omega Brit V (OYL-011) because that's the brand the shop carries.

The only thing I'm stalling on is the Citra. I've had enough Citra, it feels like. I feel like I can identify it, and though I don't dislike it, it just seems like I'm ready to have a beer without it.

Would it be OK to do these hops in a 1:1:1 type ratio, or maybe sub out the Citra with something else? I've always been a fan of Mosaic. I've historically aimed for a brew that mimics orange juice, but am thinking more passion fruit / pineapple this time. Would love a recommendation to finalize my shopping list.

I've got a citra:nectaron:superdelic batch that is cold crashing now, another post on here suggested the superdelic can be overpowering so I did 2:1:1 respectively, If your wanting to bump out citra I'd swap for mosaic, or maybe another well rounded hop, simcoe... might be to dank depending on your tastes, Idaho7 maybe. I should have mine kegged by Sunday if things go as planned.

 

[Ulisses4677]

I'm outlining my next brew and am thinking Citra, Superdelic, and Nectaron. I think I probably cribbed that form someone else's recipe here a while back, if so, thank you. Mostly 2-Row with good helpings of Spelt, Flaked Oats, and White Wheat perhaps with a dash of Honey Malt. It'll be Omega Brit V (OYL-011) because that's the brand the shop carries.

The only thing I'm stalling on is the Citra. I've had enough Citra, it feels like. I feel like I can identify it, and though I don't dislike it, it just seems like I'm ready to have a beer without it.

Would it be OK to do these hops in a 1:1:1 type ratio, or maybe sub out the Citra with something else? I've always been a fan of Mosaic. I've historically aimed for a brew that mimics orange juice, but am thinking more passion fruit / pineapple this time. Would love a recommendation to finalize my shopping list.The beee

I'm outlining my next brew and am thinking Citra, Superdelic, and Nectaron. I think I probably cribbed that form someone else's recipe here a while back, if so, thank you. Mostly 2-Row with good helpings of Spelt, Flaked Oats, and White Wheat perhaps with a dash of Honey Malt. It'll be Omega Brit V (OYL-011) because that's the brand the shop carries.

The only thing I'm stalling on is the Citra. I've had enough Citra, it feels like. I feel like I can identify it, and though I don't dislike it, it just seems like I'm ready to have a beer without it.

Would it be OK to do these hops in a 1:1:1 type ratio, or maybe sub out the Citra with something else? I've always been a fan of Mosaic. I've historically aimed for a brew that mimics orange juice, but am thinking more passion fruit / pineapple this time. Would love a recommendation to finalize my shopping list.

The post I just shared is almost identical with the hops. I used Nectaron hot side Wp and split my dry hop first charge was 70/30% Superdelic citra, second dry hop 60/30/10% rakau, Superdelic , citra Cryo.

 

[Shenanigans]

I'm outlining my next brew and am thinking Citra, Superdelic, and Nectaron. I think I probably cribbed that form someone else's recipe here a while back, if so, thank you. Mostly 2-Row with good helpings of Spelt, Flaked Oats, and White Wheat perhaps with a dash of Honey Malt. It'll be Omega Brit V (OYL-011) because that's the brand the shop carries.

The only thing I'm stalling on is the Citra. I've had enough Citra, it feels like. I feel like I can identify it, and though I don't dislike it, it just seems like I'm ready to have a beer without it.

Would it be OK to do these hops in a 1:1:1 type ratio, or maybe sub out the Citra with something else? I've always been a fan of Mosaic. I've historically aimed for a brew that mimics orange juice, but am thinking more passion fruit / pineapple this time. Would love a recommendation to finalize my shopping list.

I don't see it mentioned a lot on here any more but Vic Secret gives off a lot of pineapple.
Think I'm going to try it in my next NEIPA but still need to decide on the other hops.

 

[Dgallo]

Trying to plan the next double hazy anywhere from 8.2% - 8.5% rough estimates are;

70% - 2 row
20% - spelt
10% - oat malt (malted or flaked..)
Yeast - LAIII
OG 1.084-1.086
FG 1.020-1.022


Here is the decision;
1) simcoe/strata hotside Nelson/Citra dryhop

2) rakau/citra hotside rakau/citra/nelson dryhop

3) simcoe/citra hotside citra/rakau/mosaic dryhop.

My plan personal plan is #2, but what have you and why?

 

[Dgallo]

I don't see it mentioned a lot on here any more but Vic Secret gives off a lot of pineapple.
Think I'm going to try it in my next NEIPA but still need to decide on the other hops.

I haven’t tried since 22 but 20-22 were very high in hopburn and came off as a spicy fruit. Like is Saaz and galaxy had a baby. I didn’t like it in hazy (nz pils it was great [yes I know it’s aus]). I have a lb left and have been using it as hotside/bittering hop lol

 

[Dgallo]

I don't see it mentioned a lot on here any more but Vic Secret gives off a lot of pineapple.
Think I'm going to try it in my next NEIPA but still need to decide on the other hops.

I haven’t tried since 22 but 20-22 were very high in hopburn and came off as a spicy fruit. Like is Saaz and galaxy had a baby. I didn’t like it. I have a lb left and have been using it as a bittering hop to be honest.

 

[jordanfrenzy]

Trying to plan the next double hazy anywhere from 8.2% - 8.5% rough estimates are;

70% - 2 row
20% - spelt
10% - oat malt (malted or flaked..)
Yeast - LAIII
OG 1.084-1.086
FG 1.020-1.022


Here is the decision;
1) simcoe/strata hotside Nelson/Citra dryhop

2) rakau/citra hotside rakau/citra/nelson dryhop

3) simcoe/citra hotside citra/rakau/mosaic dryhop.

My plan personal plan is #2, but what have you and why?

I like the simplicity of 1, but I don't have a lot of experience with Rakau. Just got a pound of it recently so it's going in my next brew. I may be remembering wrong, but weren't you into A24 Dry Hop for a while? Is LA3 your go to now? I used it a bunch in the early hazy years but just getting back into after running A24 a lot. Much slower fermenter than I'm use to with my ales.

 

[Ulisses4677]

Trying to plan the next double hazy anywhere from 8.2% - 8.5% rough estimates are;

70% - 2 row
20% - spelt
10% - oat malt (malted or flaked..)
Yeast - LAIII
OG 1.084-1.086
FG 1.020-1.022


Here is the decision;
1) simcoe/strata hotside Nelson/Citra dryhop

2) rakau/citra hotside rakau/citra/nelson dryhop

3) simcoe/citra hotside citra/rakau/mosaic dryhop.

My plan personal plan is #2, but what have you and why?

I like #2 dry hop but would switch the hot side to strata, mosaic.

 

[Dgallo]

I like the simplicity of 1, but I don't have a lot of experience with Rakau. Just got a pound of it recently so it's going in my next brew. I may be remembering wrong, but weren't you into A24 Dry Hop for a while? Is LA3 your go to now? I used it a bunch in the early hazy years but just getting back into after running A24 a lot. Much slower

Yeah I’m a big fan of A24 and still consider it my go to but I mix it up from time to time. I have a 4th generation pitch of LAIII and it’s I just interested to see how it performs.

 

[Dgallo]

I like #2 dry hop but would switch the hot side to strata, mosaic.

Def a great option but I’m brewing a double west coast ipa that will be strata/columbus/mosaic and finishing it off with some blackberry kush terpenes (at least that’s the plan now) that will have Mosiac/strata whirlpool. So even though it’s a great suggestion, I want the two beers to have different profiles

 

[Ulisses4677]

Def a great option but I’m brewing a double west coast ipa that will be strata/columbus/mosaic and finishing it off with some blackberry kush terpenes (at least that’s the plan now) that will have Mosiac/strata whirlpool. So even though it’s a great suggestion, I want the two beers to have different profiles

Strata , nelson another great option for a west coast

 

[Dgallo]

Strata , nelson another great option for a west coast

I make one called Bring Da Ruckus that’s strata Nelson

 

[Ulisses4677]

I make one called Bring Da Ruckus that’s strata Nelson

That’s rad.

 

[aaronm13]

Trying to plan the next double hazy anywhere from 8.2% - 8.5% rough estimates are;

70% - 2 row
20% - spelt
10% - oat malt (malted or flaked..)
Yeast - LAIII
OG 1.084-1.086
FG 1.020-1.022


Here is the decision;
1) simcoe/strata hotside Nelson/Citra dryhop

2) rakau/citra hotside rakau/citra/nelson dryhop

3) simcoe/citra hotside citra/rakau/mosaic dryhop.

My plan personal plan is #2, but what have you and why?

Probably go with #2 myself. Have no experience with Rakau but Citra/Nelson is my favourite combination and you simply cannot go wrong with it.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Also, while it is new and not available in homebrew sized packs yet, the Lallemand + Escarpment Labs produced Pomona looks interesting. The text says "enhances biotransformation and haze for modern IPA styles" (where I think "modern" still means Hazies). I would not be surprised if it costs a couple dollars more than Verdant (but maybe still less than dry London Fog). When somebody asked on the Instagram announcement, they said homebrew packs would be out in a month or two.

https://www.lallemandbrewing.com/en/global/products/lalbrew-pomona/

Seems 11g packs are now available.

This is a nice review by a pro brewer of Pomona vs Verdant. Bit faster, bit more attenuation, slightly lower final pH, flocculation not quite as good. Bit more pineapple and peach from Cryopop/Bru-1/1019, about the same haze, 22/30 preferred the Pomona.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/comparison-pomona-yeast-verdant-ipa-hazy-ming-chit-jason-li-fpktc/

 

[Dgallo]

Probably go with #2 myself. Have no experience with Rakau but Citra/Nelson is my favourite combination and you simply cannot go wrong with it.

It gives some really nice peachie character. It also has a lot of survivables, a high oil content, and is relatively low in cohumulone so it tends to work great hotside too

 

[Dog House Brew]

It gives some really nice peachie character. It also has a lot of survivables, a high oil content, and is relatively low in cohumulone so it tends to work great hotside.

Well stated

 

[synonymous18]

I make one called Bring Da Ruckus that’s strata Nelson

Tell us more… I’d love to try this combo in a WC

 

[Dgallo]

Tell us more… I’d love to try this combo in a WC

Here’s the link to my post in the New West Coast thread that provides the recipe (I don’t want to hijack this thread)

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/the-new-west-coast-ipa.704268/page-9#post-10320373

 

[tracer bullet]

Have you guys found that spelt tends to crank up the pH? I was looking at a recipe with it and noticed that the calculator (Mash Made Easy) had it taking things pretty high. White wheat seems to do the same. If they're related, it makes sense, but both ingredients are somewhat new to me - I'm usually making more English-y ales. I frequently add some 10% phosphoric acid to lower mash pH towards 5.4, up to 10ml recipe dependent. Looks like a NEIPA with spelt or white wheat or both has me closer to like 30ml of 10% acid. Just checking that makes sense or if you guys use even more.

 

[Dgallo]

Have you guys found that spelt tends to crank up the pH? I was looking at a recipe with it and noticed that the calculator (Mash Made Easy) had it taking things pretty high. White wheat seems to do the same. If they're related, it makes sense, but both ingredients are somewhat new to me - I'm usually making more English-y ales. I frequently add some 10% phosphoric acid to lower mash pH towards 5.4, up to 10ml recipe dependent. Looks like a NEIPA with spelt or white wheat or both has me closer to like 30ml of 10% acid. Just checking that makes sense or if you guys use even more.

Spelt doesn’t change my ph any different than a normal pale malt would. That said I brew with my tap which is 128 bicarbonate. So pale malt doesn’t really do anything lol

All this said. Malt should never raise a ph, will always drop the ph of the mash water

 

[tracer bullet]

Malt should never raise a ph, will always drop the ph of the mash water

True, I guess I meant in relative terms, if spelt didn't lower it as much as other malts, effectively ending higher than I might normally.

 

[Dgallo]

True, I guess I meant in relative terms, if spelt didn't lower it as much as other malts, effectively ending higher than I might normal

Yeah. I can’t say this with any science to back me but I can’t imagine spelt having a noticeable difference in terms of ph where using 20 - 30% of it in the grain bill would cause you to use a substantially different amount of acid to hit your target ph.

Again no science here, but I’ve used it quite often and may acid addition are pretty identical for my IPAs and pal ales in general. The only difference in my additions tends to be due total size of the grain bill

 

[Dgallo]

Final decision made will be brewed this weekend


Hazy double
70% - 2row
15% - spelt
15% - malted oats
OG - 1.085
FG: - 1.022

Hotside
2:1 citra /rakau

Dryhop
1:2:1 citra cryo/ rakau / freestyle Nelson

 

[BongoYodeler]

Final decision made will be brewed this weekend


Hazy double
70% - 2row
15% - spelt
15% - malted oats
OG - 1.085
FG: - 1.022

Hotside
2:1 citra /rakau

Dryhop
1:2:1 citra cryo/ rakau / freestyle Nelson

Looking forward to reading about this one. I'm planning a similar grain bill on an upcoming brew - 70% 2-row, 17.5% spelt, 11.5% malted oats, and 1% honey malt. Thinking of hopping with Citra and Nectaron, but may also add Superdelic as well, but not definite yet. Still working this one out in my head and in Beersmith.

 

[Shenanigans]

Final decision made will be brewed this weekend


Hazy double
70% - 2row
15% - spelt
15% - malted oats
OG - 1.085
FG: - 1.022

Hotside
2:1 citra /rakau

Dryhop
1:2:1 citra cryo/ rakau / freestyle Nelson

Interesting, want to brew a NEIPA soon but still deciding on which hops.
I have 1/2# of 2022 Raku leaf hops.
Might be an option.
I also have 2022 Nelson leaf and Citra 90 pellets so I guess the ratio should be 1:1:1 on the dry hop then.
Would be a single not a double, with about a 7oz total dry hop