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I'm suffering from some serious paralysis by analysis as I'm contemplating taking the plunge on a conical fermenter. I've had some temperature control issues in the past (all old tech. Plastic fermenters with swamp coolers, blankets, etc.). I've been crunching the numbers and reading reviews and I'm pretty sure I want to go with a jacketed conical. Was eye-balling the BrewBuilt X3 pretty hard but I keep waiting for Spike to drop some info on their new jacketed conical. Anybody have any idea when they might be coming out? I've heard lots of good about Spike's other products, so I'm assuming it will be good. But I'm not getting any younger. Anyways, if anyone has any insight, I'm all ears.
 
Do you have a chiller already? What size batches do you brew? Any particular reason you want a jacketed ?
 
Yeah... So many variables. Options. Add-ons ... And $$$, pros/cons.

About 30 days ago, I was ... You. And now have a 10 g batch brewing in a Spike CF-10. I got it from FB marketplace with a crazy amount of accessories. And of course, I tweaked it further and got the updated lid w/ (3) 1 1/2". Really love the Spike product so far, but only on my first brew.

Are you set on new? Or is used okay? There is a lot of "contraction" in the brewing world including craft home brewers who don't drink anymore and dumping the motherlode of used gear.

Much to consider.
 
Do you have a chiller already? What size batches do you brew? Any particular reason you want a jacketed ?
No chiller yet. I’m dabbling in 10 gallon batches, but I have to split into two fermenters still. I’m currently running a maiden batch in a chest freezer as a ferm chamber, but it’s too big (grabbed it cheap at an auction and didn’t realize how big it was). Temp control seems to be going fine, but my space situation is limited. Thought I could incorporate a conical/chiller into my bar area with some curb appeal. I was leaning jacketed just because I was ready to dive in and it seems to be the best option currently. I’m definitely not married to anything as I still use a lot of basic equipment and like to tinker with some DIY projects even though I’m limited in skills. Just trying to get a good lay of the land from folks with experience.
 
I'm suffering from some serious paralysis by analysis as I'm contemplating taking the plunge on a conical fermenter. I've had some temperature control issues in the past (all old tech. Plastic fermenters with swamp coolers, blankets, etc.). I've been crunching the numbers and reading reviews and I'm pretty sure I want to go with a jacketed conical. Was eye-balling the BrewBuilt X3 pretty hard but I keep waiting for Spike to drop some info on their new jacketed conical. Anybody have any idea when they might be coming out? I've heard lots of good about Spike's other products, so I'm assuming it will be good. But I'm not getting any younger. Anyways, if anyone has any insight, I'm all ears.
Wait for Black Friday sales.

The X3s appear much improved over the X2's, which I have 2 of. I do not like the band clamps. The gaskets are fussy to get in the groove and I have had difficulties sealing. It appears that the metal bands were perhaps a little to long. I shaved off a small amount on both clamps and had a much easier time sealing the two recently. The new angle on the legs of the X3 should be an improvement. I have the smallest size X2s and they are still tippy with four legs. The coils (I bought Spike coils) are probably easiest cleaned by filling and soaking the whole fermenter first or putting the coils in a bucket to soak. Not too difficult but they are always going to be a worry about sanitation. The inner parts of the loops are harder to access. Just remember the coils are generally an added cost when comparing vs jacketed.

As far as what @Bobby_M said about a fridge, I agree mostly if it is one conical and the fridge is right-sized and you are never going to get another one. I have the two X2 seven gallons and I added a third line for carboys onto an Icemaster 100. The lines, pumps (not always a separate purchase), and fittings add up. I am still getting condensation even though the conical has a neoprene jacket and the lines are insulated. I can improve the line insulation some to reduce that I am hoping but I doubt it's completely preventable without major fussing. It's manageable. Whether one conical or multiple, one place I do see a pro for the chiller is response time. The other night I brewed an 11 gallon batch and split it. I have a CFC and what I call a "perpetual chiller". Basically a water tank that acts as heat dump to save water. I used that first and chilled to about 110F. I then switched to tap water. I was thinking I would capture the outflow to clean some five gallon buckets and a 4 gallon pot I needed to clean so I collected about almost 20 gallons. (I should have done this first as the water was not really warm.) After that, I had no other places to reuse the water and ran about another 5-10 gallons perhaps. When I hit 90F, I decided I would transfer and cool with the glycol chiller so I could pitch at 68F. I did that. Once connected to the chiller, the temperature dropped visibly. I was doing other things and didn't start the record on my temperature controllers (missed the data) but I am certain the temp dropped to 68 from 88 in less than 2 hours, could have been faster even. That's with the 2 seven gallon conicals as well as a carboy lagering currently. I've put lagers in to my mini fridge ferm chambers to cool down from tap water chilling, mid 70s or even lower and they have always taken overnight, finished brewing at night, pitched next morning or later. If response speed is important to you, a glycol chiller can be more like a sports car and acceleration. This is dependent of course on the size of the fermenters, chiller, and fridges. I think it will hold however for the sizes of fermenters you can stick into most fridges.

Chest freezers are hard on the back for use as a ferm chamber. Kegs go in easier as they have good handles and you can slide them in using the wall. Kegs are a little easier to grab too, grab a handle and the bottom for instance. But other fermenters can be difficult to manuever. I made my chest freezer into a kegerator and that kegerator has a bar top and tower on it. Options for future use even if not as a ferm chamber. What size is your chest freezer?

I thought about adding my glycol chiller and unis to my bar area but wasn't so sure about the fan noise on the chiller. I didn't do it because my brewing area is in the next room (garage) and it would require either long hoses to the unis or rolling them into the bar room next door. I have a floor drain in the garage, non-working, never will, and the floor is sloped. This makes moving the unis problematic. When one wheel is not flat that wheel likes to spin and change height. Keeping them properly level in the garage is very annoying so I try not to move them far at all. Probably a locking hex nut on the wheel shaft could fix that. Here's a pic.
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There's always a what if, maybe you want to ferment more than one beer at a time, etc.. I don't really think of conicals and glycol chillers as adding to the aesthetic of a home brewery as glycol chilled fermenters always need a neoprene jacket and everything sweats like a pig dripping condensation on the floor. Probably the best looking solution is a bare stainless conical in an appropriately sized glass door fridge so you can actually see all the stainless someone meticulously polished (and you paid for).
 
I've been fermenting & serving from the same keg for the past 3 years and have also been considering getting a fermenter, as due to my current setup my keg has to be kicked for me to brew, and it leaves me beerless for 1-2 weeks.

I've been considering getting a tri-conical along with one of the below fridge/freezers for temp control.
https://www.morebeer.com/view_product/62273

Unfortunately the internal dimensions are not published, so I need to get to home depot with a tape measure.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vissani...ainless-Steel-Garage-Ready-MDUFC7SS/315146404
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vissani...tor-in-Stainless-Steel-Look-MDFF7SS/313489925
 
That convertible is a great deal if it fits. I imagine it will. It looks like the internal dimension would be about 16 x 16" with 2" thick side walls.
I'd love to know why this...
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There's always a what if, maybe you want to ferment more than one beer at a time, etc.. I don't really think of conicals and glycol chillers as adding to the aesthetic of a home brewery as glycol chilled fermenters always need a neoprene jacket and everything sweats like a pig dripping condensation on the floor. Probably the best looking solution is a bare stainless conical in an appropriately sized glass door fridge so you can actually see all the stainless someone meticulously polished (and you paid for).
It's actually an important consideration whether you ferment one batch or more at a time because if you do frequently ferment more than one at a time frequently that won't happen without another fridge to put the second fermenter in. It's not a what if really but rather do you or don't you.

Also, a conical with a neoprene cover still adds a lot more to a home brewery aesthetic vs a carboy or a bucket sitting in the bar area. They do look nice in a glass door fridge, especially with colored lighting. Two of those or a double size might be a bigger footprint and possibly costlier than a glycol chiller however. Planning ahead, ideally a drain of some sort would be beneficial. There is some to condensation to heaveier when cold crashing, depending on what's fermenting and the local environmental conditions.
 
It's actually an important consideration whether you ferment one batch or more at a time because if you do frequently ferment more than one at a time frequently that won't happen without another fridge to put the second fermenter in. It's not a what if really but rather do you or don't you.

Also, a conical with a neoprene cover still adds a lot more to a home brewery aesthetic vs a carboy or a bucket sitting in the bar area. They do look nice in a glass door fridge, especially with colored lighting. Two of those or a double size might be a bigger footprint and possibly costlier than a glycol chiller however. Planning ahead, ideally a drain of some sort would be beneficial. There is some to condensation to heaveier when cold crashing, depending on what's fermenting and the local environmental conditions.

What I mean is you might only have one fermenter now, but you have to consider if you might want to add a second one in the future because glycol becomes more practical when it's a distributed cooling solution. If you are confident you only need one fermenter at a time, such as someone that only brews a max of once per month, glycol is generally an expensive pain in the butt for just a single fermenter.
 
What I mean is you might only have one fermenter now, but you have to consider if you might want to add a second one in the future because glycol becomes more practical when it's a distributed cooling solution. If you are confident you only need one fermenter at a time, such as someone that only brews a max of once per month, glycol is generally an expensive pain in the butt for just a single fermenter.
Ok gotcha.

I was pretty set myself on going with two so I never looked at fridges to provide any suggestions. I'lll throw this out there though that my 7 gallon X2 uni is about 13"x19" with the longer dimension having extra inches because of the fittings on the front lower cone. The diffusion stone fitting I built and it ended probably longer than a premade one. I actually got most of the parts from Brewhardware, the separate check valve adds some depth but I used a separate one because I had a specific ball valve I liked. Then the butterfly valve before the sample valve adds depth there too. Could be other fittings that would shorten that measure, just depends on user preference and specific conical port arrangement. As another mention, I went with a rotating racking cane (side) as it was cheaper than the floating dip tube (top) butthe floating dip tube does have a lot of appeal. The legs on mine are integral but others might not be as for height.
 
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As we discussed on Reddit …

Spike officially announced their new premium fully-jacketed conical unitank 8.5 months ago on December 20. Spike sent out the “Jacketed Fermenter Product Survey” in late June. It’s been crickets ever since. I’d love to think a “kickstarter” is just around the corner. The new glycol chiller and mill took 6.25 and 9.25 months to ship from the start of the kickstarter, respectively. With conical unitanks being Spike’s bread and butter, hopefully the new premium conical unitank will ship quicker.

At this point, we know next to nothing about the new premium conical unitank other than the fact that it’s fully-jacketed (cylinder and cone) with a welded lid and splayed legs and will be 25% - 50% more expensive than the existing Spike non-jacketed fermenters.

There's always a what if, maybe you want to ferment more than one beer at a time, etc.. I don't really think of conicals and glycol chillers as adding to the aesthetic of a home brewery as glycol chilled fermenters always need a neoprene jacket …

Not all glycol-chilled fermenters need a neoprene jacket. Many of us are hoping the new Spike premium fully-jacketed conical unitank will also be fully insulated (similar to the Ss Brewtech Pro Nano Fully-Jacketed Unitank) showing off all that shiny stainless steel. 👍
 
Not all glycol-chilled fermenters need a neoprene jacket. Many of us are hoping the new Spike premium fully-jacketed conical unitank will also be fully insulated (similar to the Ss Brewtech Pro Nano Fully-Jacketed Unitank) showing off all that shiny stainless steel. 👍

Not all? Let's not pretend the nano tanks are homebrewer vessels. We don't even know if the fully jacketed Spike is going to also be internally insulated. I doubt it, but even so, it's something in the future, maybe. Maybe you can say, someone might make an insulated, jacketed fermenter someday and then "not all".
 
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Not all? We don't even know if the fully jacketed Spike is going to also be internally insulated. I doubt it. Let's not pretend the nano tanks are homebrewer vessels.

A vast majority of “homebrew vessels” are not even fully-jacketed. The new fully-jacketed conical unitank is part of what Spike is calling their “premium line”. At one time, Brewers Hardware sold a conical unitank (starting at 8 G … I’d call that a homebrew vessel) that was both fully-jacketed and fully-insulated here. I haven’t found a fully-jacketed conical unitank (homebrew or pro) that isn’t also fully insulated.

I didn’t say the new Spike conical unitank would be fully insulated. I said, “Many of us are hoping the new Spike premium fully-jacketed conical unitank will also be fully insulated”.
 
I have a Spike CF5 and love it, though with everything on the market right now, I have a hard time believing the value is still there.

Homebrew-scale conical unitanks are evolving. The Brewtools F-series is the gold standard. BrewBuilt did an excellent job aligning the X3 with the F-series in several key areas. Cooling coils and big, goofy band clamps are a thing of the past. The X3 incorporated more lid and cone ports including a TC 1.5” cone port intended to accept an immersion heating element. The F-series still holds a slight edge over the X3 in this regard. Of course, all of the F-series ports are to take advantage of the upcoming Brewtools Fermentation Control System with its electronic spunding valve, electronic/pneumatic HopDrop, tuning fork density sensor, stirrer, immersion heating element, level sensor, … I’m confident BrewBuilt has their own Fermentation Control System in the works.

It’s exciting. Spike has an opportunity to turn the homebrew industry on its ear with their new premium conical unitank being fully-jacketed (and hopefully fully-insulated). However, as with the BrewBuilt X3, it’s crucial that Spike align their new conical unitank with the Brewtools F-series in terms of ports. BrewBuilt uses the term “future proof” with respect to the increased number of ports.
 
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Not all? Let's not pretend the nano tanks are homebrewer vessels. We don't even know if the fully jacketed Spike is going to also be internally insulated. I doubt it, but even so, it's something in the future, maybe. Maybe you can say, someone might make an insulated, jacketed fermenter someday and then "not all".

In addition to Brewers Hardware, Grainfather makes an insulated, jacketed homebrew-scale conical unitank,

Grainfather GF30 Conical Fermenter for Homebrew

I would refer to the Grainfather GF30 as partially-jacketed and partially-insulated since the double-wall construction and glycol sleeve aren’t applied to the cone, only the cylinder.

I’m sure there are other insulated, jacketed homebrew-scale conical unitanks out there that I’m not aware of.


 
I keep waiting for Spike to drop some info on their new jacketed conical. Anybody have any idea when they might be coming out? I've heard lots of good about Spike's other products, so I'm assuming it will be good. But I'm not getting any younger. Anyways, if anyone has any insight, I'm all ears.

September 10, 2024: Josh Lindquist at Spike Brewing said with respect to the new premium fully-jacketed conical unitank, "Sorry guys, but there isn't not (sic) a solid timeline yet."

😭
 
In addition to Brewers Hardware, Grainfather makes an insulated, jacketed homebrew-scale conical unitank,

Grainfather GF30 Conical Fermenter for Homebrew

I would refer to the Grainfather GF30 as partially-jacketed and partially-insulated since the double-wall construction and glycol sleeve aren’t applied to the cone, only the cylinder.

I’m sure there are other insulated, jacketed homebrew-scale conical unitanks out there that I’m not aware of.


The GF is a piece of junk. The dump is useless and ultra proprietary not to mention the integrated controller is another point of failure.
 
I've been fermenting & serving from the same keg for the past 3 years and have also been considering getting a fermenter, as due to my current setup my keg has to be kicked for me to brew, and it leaves me beerless for 1-2 weeks.

I've been considering getting a tri-conical along with one of the below fridge/freezers for temp control.
https://www.morebeer.com/view_product/62273

Unfortunately the internal dimensions are not published, so I need to get to home depot with a tape measure.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vissani...ainless-Steel-Garage-Ready-MDUFC7SS/315146404
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vissani...tor-in-Stainless-Steel-Look-MDFF7SS/313489925
Did you ever get the interior dimensions? Home Depot also has a 7.1 cu ft Vissani that doesn’t have that top shelf:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vissani...r-in-Stainless-Steel-Look-MDUFC7SS4/328518296

I’m looking to fit the Fermzilla v3.2 55 liter conical and need 46” top clearance. The local HD doesn’t have an open stock of the 7.1 freezer that I can measure.
 
Did you ever get the interior dimensions? Home Depot also has a 7.1 cu ft Vissani that doesn’t have that top shelf:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vissani...r-in-Stainless-Steel-Look-MDUFC7SS4/328518296

I’m looking to fit the Fermzilla v3.2 55 liter conical and need 46” top clearance. The local HD doesn’t have an open stock of the 7.1 freezer that I can measure.
I did not, I have a complete Fermzilla setup in my cart, Ive been waiting for the hop bong to go on sale before clicking the order button. Theres no way in hell I am paying $144 for that thing. May just get the fermenter and get the bong later. Then I ask myself why bother when keg fermenting has been working fine. I’ll order one day..
 
I’m really interested in this thread as I’m considering either the CF5 or X3 right now. The x3 has a ton of ports and I’m struggling to think about how to use them all, or if I’m just adding to my cleaning regimen.
 
I’m really interested in this thread as I’m considering either the CF5 or X3 right now. The x3 has a ton of ports and I’m struggling to think about how to use them all, or if I’m just adding to my cleaning regimen.

Avoid unitanks with cooling coils and full-lid band clamps.

Check out the Brewtools FCS (Fermentation / Fluid Control System) in order to get an idea of how to use the X3 ports. I'm confident BrewBuilt will be offering their own "FCS".
 
I have an older Spike CF10 conical used in conjunction with a used $200 upright freezer controlled by a wi-fi inkbird temperature controller.
I have no regrets with my setup as I store my conical inside the freezer when not in use to take advantage of the realastate that the freezer takes up.
As a bonus when my wife needs extra refridgerator or freezer space (for hosting a party), I can convert my upright freezer to either by setting the inkbird temp controller accordingly (provided that I am not currently fermenting).
 
Why avoid?

All of the major homebrew-scale manufacturers (except Spike) have moved away from cooling coils and full-lid band clamps.

A jacketed unitank is far more efficient and effective than a cooling coil. A jacketed unitank is easier to clean than a cooling coil.

Full-lid band clamps tend to leak. The Spike CF-series has been a nightmare in this regard. The BrewBuilt X2 had issues in this regard, too.

10.5 months ago (December 19, 2023), Spike announced plans for a fully-jacketed (cylinder and cone) unitank with a welded lid (no goofy full-lid band clamp). It remains unclear whether the new Spike jacketed unitank will also be fully-insulated (no goofy neoprene jacket).

BrewBuilt moved to a (partially) jacketed unitank with a welded lid in the X3. The X3 has been extremely well received.

Brewtools remains the gold standard with a (partially) jacketed unitank with a welded lid. Brewtools is currently working on larger "Pro" fully-jacketed and fully-insulated unitanks. Recently, Brewtools announced they're considering smaller (F40 and F80) Pro unitanks.
 
The important question you have to answer before deciding between a fermentation chamber or a glycol chiller is how many batches do you want to ferment at a time? If it's more than 2, you're probably better off with glycol.

With that said, for me personally it would be difficult to justify the cost. I'm really happy with the fermentation chamber I made both from a size and cost perspective. I'd like to upgrade the fermzilla all rounder to something stainless, but i don't think the juice is worth the squeeze. The all-round is simple, affordable, durable, lightweight and transparent. It won't last forever, but is easily replaced. Just my 2 cents
 
Anyone have the SS Brewtech 2.0 Unitank? I'm thinking about picking one up during the Black Friday sale. I have 2 1.0s that I love, but @wickedbeernut is right. The coils are a pain in the ass to clean. Nothing a good concentrated Star San soak can't handle, but that's an extra step I'd love to avoid.
 
All of the major homebrew-scale manufacturers (except Spike) have moved away from cooling coils and full-lid band clamps.

A jacketed unitank is far more efficient and effective than a cooling coil. A jacketed unitank is easier to clean than a cooling coil.

Full-lid band clamps tend to leak. The Spike CF-series has been a nightmare in this regard. The BrewBuilt X2 had issues in this regard, too.

10.5 months ago (December 19, 2023), Spike announced plans for a fully-jacketed (cylinder and cone) unitank with a welded lid (no goofy full-lid band clamp). It remains unclear whether the new Spike jacketed unitank will also be fully-insulated (no goofy neoprene jacket).

BrewBuilt moved to a (partially) jacketed unitank with a welded lid in the X3. The X3 has been extremely well received.

Brewtools remains the gold standard with a (partially) jacketed unitank with a welded lid. Brewtools is currently working on larger "Pro" fully-jacketed and fully-insulated unitanks. Recently, Brewtools announced they're considering smaller (F40 and F80) Pro unitanks.

I think it's important to consider that a lot of the announcements for new products came at a time that the craft beer and homebrew hobby recession wasn't fully realized (it's now a much bigger concern). Not only that, I think a lot of companies are in a holding pattern to see if these wild China tariff increases are going to be in play.
 
I think it's important to consider that a lot of the announcements for new products came at a time that the craft beer and homebrew hobby recession wasn't fully realized (it's now a much bigger concern). Not only that, I think a lot of companies are in a holding pattern to see if these wild China tariff increases are going to be in play.

Fair enough. That's certainly true of Spike. However, BrewBuilt delivered on the X3. Brewtools continues to deliver.

I think the debacle which is the leaky Glycol Chiller has also impacted Spike.
 
A buddy of mine is dealing with that right now. He says their customer service has been very responsive. Still a major PITA.

After countless reports of Glycol Chiller 1.0 leaks, Spike started shipping the new Glycol Chiller 2.0 in late October. The Spike Glycol Chiller 2.0 incorporated a few Band-Aids as compared to Glycol Chiller 1.0. There have already been three reports of Glycol Chiller 2.0 leaks in the last week and half,

Spike Glycol Chiller 2.0 Leaks

I'd avoid the Spike Glycol Chiller like the plague.

Spike's customer service is excellent. Spike's quality control strategy is product replacement. If your Glycol Chiller 2.0 leaks, Spike is offering a full refund and a $200 gift card.
 
I got a used Spike CF-10 on FB marketplace. My first usage - it wouldn't hold pressure.
But... That was user error and easily fixed once I watched a video. (I put the rubber gasket in properly as the video described and all is great, finishing up a dry red Irish ale at over 10psi - should be ready to serve shortly.

I also like the band clamp and the fact that the whole top comes off. This makes it a snap to clean and really check what is going on inside during sanitation/cleaning.

Absolutely love the Spike CF-10 - especially since I got one with virtually all the accessories for a used FB mktplace price.
 
I’m really interested in this thread as I’m considering either the CF5 or X3 right now. The x3 has a ton of ports and I’m struggling to think about how to use them all, or if I’m just adding to my cleaning regimen.
I have the X2, which has 3 ports on the cone, twp 1.5 TC ports and a 4" TC port on the lid. I have a racking tube, gas diffusion stone and thermowell on the 3 cone ports. I use the top two 1.5's for a blowoff tube and a hop bong. I could switch those as needed (one would work) but since it came that way I use both. Yes you will be adding to your cleaning regime.

I would prefet not to have the coil due to cleaning. If you drop them in a bucket of PBW and let sit, not hard to clean however. I have 4" TC Spike coils. I use a bottle brush on the coil insides and a hand brush on the outside.

Operationally, the coil takes up a a large TC port. Brewbuilt has a coil with a floating diptube as a fitting. The center port is probably the best spot in the top for a CIP ball, although it's possible a port off the center and opposite the cone ports might clean those cone ports a little better with a spray ball. I'm steal experimenting with ways to clean mine.
 
I got a used Spike CF-10 on FB marketplace. My first usage - it wouldn't hold pressure.
But... That was user error and easily fixed once I watched a video. (I put the rubber gasket in properly as the video described and all is great, ...

Spike redesigned the gasket making it slightly thicker and bidirectional. It can no longer be installed upside down. If you have the "Old Style Gasket", contact Spike Brewing Customer Experience. Customer Experience will mail you the "New Style Gasket" free of charge.

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Spike redesigned the gasket making it slightly thicker and bidirectional. It can no longer be installed upside down. If you have the "Old Style Gasket", contact Spike Brewing Customer Experience. Customer Experience will mail you the "New Style Gasket" free of charge.

Cool - I might try that. I have the old style gasket.
My problem wasn't the gasket being upside down - it was how I "installed" the gasket. I did it the wrong way. The right way is to insert it in quarters - 12 o'clock, 3 o'clock 6 & 9 ... And then push the rest of it in place - doing each quarter. No problems after that but I could always use an extra gasket.
 
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