Lowish ABV BIAB partygyle?

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joeybeer

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I've brewed dozens of batches in the past, but never attempted to brew a mild from the leftovers!
I'm planning on brewing an ESB that will be about 5.5ABV.
As I'm trying to build my pipeline and would like a low ABV (3.5%) beer on hand, I was thiinking I might rinse the bag into a fermenter and top it off with DME or a small batch of mild on top.

Any idea what I could expect as a gravity of the sparge? Is there any point at all in doing this?
 
I've brewed dozens of batches in the past, but never attempted to brew a mild from the leftovers!
I'm planning on brewing an ESB that will be about 5.5ABV.
As I'm trying to build my pipeline and would like a low ABV (3.5%) beer on hand, I was thiinking I might rinse the bag into a fermenter and top it off with DME or a small batch of mild on top.

Any idea what I could expect as a gravity of the sparge? Is there any point at all in doing this?
I would focus more on a recipe with less grain that gets you to your 3.5 ABV. A 5 gallon batch with 6-8 lbs of grain sounds about right, depends on your brew house and mash efficiency.
 
I've brewed dozens of batches in the past, but never attempted to brew a mild from the leftovers!
I'm planning on brewing an ESB that will be about 5.5ABV.
As I'm trying to build my pipeline and would like a low ABV (3.5%) beer on hand, I was thiinking I might rinse the bag into a fermenter and top it off with DME or a small batch of mild on top.

Any idea what I could expect as a gravity of the sparge? Is there any point at all in doing this?
Partigyling gets discussed from time to time in the main English thread and you're probably best off there.

The critical thing is mixing the different runnings and not just using all the first runnings for one beer and the second runnings for a different one. Aside from the fact that the second runnings in your case will probably be down at 1.015 or 1.020, the flavour compounds come off at a similar (if not faster) rate than the sugars, so the second runnings on their own make for a pretty miserable beer.
 
I've brewed dozens of batches in the past, but never attempted to brew a mild from the leftovers!
I'm planning on brewing an ESB that will be about 5.5ABV.
As I'm trying to build my pipeline and would like a low ABV (3.5%) beer on hand, I was thiinking I might rinse the bag into a fermenter and top it off with DME or a small batch of mild on top.

Any idea what I could expect as a gravity of the sparge? Is there any point at all in doing this?
The ESB FG range is usually given as 1.010 to 1.016, so let's assume 1.012 and do a simulation.

To get 5.5 ABV with an FG of 1.012 requires an OG of 1.054 (used this calculator and adjusted OG until I got the target ABV.) Additional assumptions are you want 5.5 gal to the fermenter for each batch, your boil-off for each batch is 1.25 gal, your typical conversion efficiency is 95%, your typical grain absorption is 0.10 gal/lb, you will do a single batch sparge, and have equal boil volumes for the two beers.

If we assume 0.5 gal trub loss going from BK to fermenter, then we need a post-boil volume of 6.0 gal, and pre-boil volume needs to be 7.25 gal. The pre-boil SG needs to be:

Pre-boil SG = 1 + (1.054 - 1) * 6.0 / 7.25 = 1.0447​
I will now use my spreadsheet here to perform some unnatural acts to get to the answer of how much grain is needed, and what the pre-boil SG and OG will be for the gyle.

The results indicate that a straight partigyle, without blending the first and second running worts won't work well for the gyle. You would mash 12.09 lb of grain in 8.46 gal of water, and recover 7.25 gal of 1.0447 SG pre-boil wort. You would then batch (dunk) sparge the spent grains in 7.25 gal of water, and recover 7.25 gal (you don't lose any to grain absorption as the grain is already saturated) of 1.009 SG pre-boil wort for the gyle - not very useful. OG for the gyle would be:

Gyle OG = 1 + (1.009 -1) * 7.25 / 6 = 1.011​
If this wort attenuated 75%, the FG would be about 1.003, for an ABV of only ~1%

If you want to look at calculating for a wort blending partigyle, let me know. Would like to know your values for conversion efficiency, grain absorption rate, boil-off, kettle trub loss, and to-fermenter volumes for each batch, in order to make the calculations better fit your process.

Brew on :mug:
 
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Amazing responses, exactly what I was wondering and looking for! I think I’ll skip this crazy idea and just make two batches - thanks for all your help
 
I took the less scientific approach - used brewersfriend calc to make a 2.5 gal mild - about 3.8% - in my anvil. Pulled the malt tube & finished the brew. But - I mashed about 1.75# of maris in a cooler to try to have it ready when the first brew finished. After moving the chilled wort to fv, refilled anvil with treated ro water (lower qty), heated to mash temp & lowered malt tube in. Dumped the maris being mashed on top of the malt tube grain & went with it.
It turned out better than expected. 2nd batch was 3.4% - could bumped up the added maris.
 
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