I can only refer to the 'simultaneously' portion of my previous post.
Tools each have their place and to call anyone a "fanboy" for purchasing a tool you either can't afford or don't see value in is rude.
It is called an opinion, consult your cult leader for yours. However, it is humorous that you start with the above statement, and then proceed with a novel length diatribe downplaying all non-Blichmann products as inferior and not "just working". I merely warned the OP to be wary of exactly this type of propaganda from Blichmann cult members when weighing the opinions.
I own some Blichmann stuff and I rather enjoy using things that work well the first time without having to tinker and jerk around for days "tuning" something that should just work in the first place.
I'll be converting it to low pressure shortly with a custom orifice.
What happened to everything Blichmann "just working", and not having to tinker with 'customizing' and 'tuning'.
Oh, and I wrote this on my MacBook just to be irritating.
I could have figured that out even without you stating it, and would have expected nothing less.
Blichmann has the conversions for you so you don’t have to jerk around with un-tested ****.
The NG conversion orifices for the BG14 Burners are the same size and are available from many online homebrew shops. Or, it can be done by simply drilling out the orifice. Of course Blich owners would still have to purchase an additional needle valve.
Another reason I purchased these burners was for resale potential. It's pretty hard to unload a stainless steel brew stand with built in burners on the best of days.
The resale issue is a strange one with both Mac and Blichmann, and a fact I will not dispute. One can buy an already overpriced sub-par performing new mac, use it for 2 years, and still sell it for 70% of the original price to some new cult member. Is this part of the initiation/hazing to join? It has baffled non-believers for years.
Homebrewers are fickle and cheap (probably a reason why buddy keeps arguging about Blichmann).
No, most of my stuff costs more than the equivalent Blichmann product, but then I freely admit that it is complete overkill and not worth the cost. It is just a reason I continue to make fun of Blich owners buying the same exact thing (Therminator, etc.) with a Blich sticker on it for a 50% to 300% markup. Many times for lower quality. The welds on the Hop Rocket I looked at were worse than most cheap Chinese stuff I see. As for the 'weldess' nonsense Blichmann has convinced the cult members as being superior, that is a whole other discussion.
Here is a good example of a 100% markup (or even more if one shops around) to get "Blichmann" stamped on the same chinese part:
Blichmann Hex Nipple 1/2 NPT
1/2" NPT Hex nipple Stainless
Height of the pot DOES influence efficency.
I believe I stated this, explicitly, and even prior to the quoted post. Is the screen on your mac book too small, or not "just working" correctly?
No, its not similar in any respect and you'll be forced to modify your burners height depending on the make and model of the burner you select (that means, cutting, welding or fastening).
Does that mean the Blich needs to be modified to be able to function properly as well, or is it made of magical material that auto-adjusts its height to the particular pot being used?
The Bayou and Blich housings are also almost identical in design related to actual burner operation, including burner to pot height, and have looked that way since before Blich Eng. existed. Take a wild guess as to who copied who. Out of the box both perform very similarly. For either model, lowering the burner height is no harder than drilling (4) 5/16" holes, if you want to play with it.
Every burner, regardless of the name on the sticker, will need to be modified for optimum performance since many factors such as pot diameter, max flame used, NG or LP, height off ground, etc, all influence the burner characteristics.
Why do you think there are countless modification threads on these forums?
I personally haven't seen countless burner mods for the KAB6 or Blichmann burners. For BG14 and jet tip burner based brew stands, yes. The standard boxed rig design is to blame for most of the issues with rigs using BG14s (or any burner), but if I talked about that I would incur the wrath of the cult of Brutus. The jet tips are a bad idea from the get go.
You lose roughly 15% of your output when you move to NG.
I see you have dutifully assimilated the Blichmann propaganda.
Seeing as it is only possible to use the BG14 burners at < 60% of max in real world situations under LP, one could just push some more NG through it to get back to the same useable output. Either way, the actual burner is EXACTLY THE SAME for both, so the performance would be very similar if not identical.
There is a huge difference between the burners. Thats why Blichmann is selling them and they work very well for the purpose they are intended for.
The burners themselves are IDENTICAL, as well as the housings being very similar, regardless of what the cult propaganda states.
Also, the Blichmann burners run at 10psi, not 30.
The Blich has an adj reg. The reg on the Bayou is fixed at 30psi, and the needle valve is used to adjust downstream pressure to the burner (more reliably and easily than an adjustable reg can). As I mentioned in a previous post, an even better approach would be to combine the two and have an adj reg and needle valve.
If you want to modify your stuff, you can get similar performance, but be prepared to cut your Bayou and do some testing work before you get to the point the Blichmann does.
I've tested the Bayou, 3 sizes of Jet burners and random other garbage from various homebrew shops. All required extensive modifications to get anywhere near a respectable level of performance. Yes they work, but time is money and I'd rather brew beer than jerk around with burners.
Which makes the need for you to have gone to the trouble of aquiring a 'custom' orifice that much more confusing, yet also explains your misconceptions about burners in general. Kind of like mac owners and their general lack of technical understanding of the devices they are using, it all makes sense now.
There is also more than one "Bayou" to choose from. We are talking about the KAB6. I could see how this could be confusing to a mac and Blich cult member used to having only a single choice available and all the tough decisions already made for them.
The KAB6 and the Blichmann both work very well and have very similarly burner performance out of the box, as they should since the only differnence is that the non-burner portion of the Blich is shinier and says "Blichmann" on the sticker.
I stated that the upcharge for the Blichmann wasn't that bad at $40, for the SAME EXACT burner with a different housing and adj reg (Blich) vs. fixed reg and needle valve control (Bayou). By the way, the fixed reg and needle valve is a better solution, and an adj. reg and needle valve is even better, as stated previously. No amount of "a one button mouse is superior" propaganda will change that fact either.
The Bayou KAB6 has wider base supports which the OP desired. The Blichmann has the 'pot catchers' which I admitted are a worthwhile feature. That being said, modifying the KAB6 to add pot catchers is easier than modifying the Blich to widen the base supports.
