HomeBrewMatt said:I can agree Guiness is good if served properly. To many bartenders really dont know how to properly serve Guiness. But even so its good to know that most places you go to will have it available so you not stuck drink watered down crap like Bud or Coors.
Well first off the lines have to be clean and the kegs kept at the right temperature - otherwise you can have the bestest Guinness barman inthe world pour it and it will still taste crap. The best pubs in Ireland for Guinness are the old ones with stone cellars and a high turnover of Guinness, and a short distance between taps and kegs.orrelse said:I'm curious what you mean by pouring it properly?
kenmc said:Hate to break it to you though, but the guinness you get over there is reconstituted from whats brewed here in Ireland - they export "essence of guinness" which is non alcoholic (no duty to pay that way) and add it to some locally brewed something. Apparently - else they brew it up ising the esscence. Either way you're getting a poor impression of it. I've had a guest come over from the states to Ireland and when he tasted Guinness here he nearly cried when he realised what he'd been missing out on.
This story backs up what kenmc said. You can read it all here: http://www.beeradvocate.com/news/stories_read/f-449075/It’s also been noted that the Guinness brewery at St. James Gate in Dublin, Ireland creates what they call a Guinness “essence,” which is shipped to contract brewers throughout the world. Sources claim this essence is then blended with a clear beer base (like the Smirnoff Ice base perhaps?) and packaged. And though Guinness is adamant that the Guinness Draught kegs coming into the US are from Ireland, the thought of shipping hundreds of thousands of kegs to the US each year is ridiculous. To boot, keg labels merely state “product of Ireland” vs. “brewed in Ireland” – a result of the essence being manufactured in Ireland, and the rest put together elsewhere?
Thanks Ryser2k - that'll save me looking - I dunno where i saw/read/heard the info in the first place - may even have been a TV program they did on the Guinness legacy and family over here.ryser2k said:This story backs up what kenmc said. You can read it all here: http://www.beeradvocate.com/news/stories_read/f-449075/
ryser2k said:This story backs up what kenmc said. You can read it all here: http://www.beeradvocate.com/news/stories_read/f-449075/
Nope believe me it's not the same at all, I've travelled a fair bit in Europe and even in England, just across the pond from us it tastes different. Actually there's a brewery in the UK that supplies the UK market.orrelse said:Sorry, that still doesn't "prove" anything to me. I never doubted Guinness is different in the U.S., but when I had it in Germany, Luxembourg and Holland(many different times and places), I'd be willing to bet it was the same Guinness that is brewed and served in Ireland.
Nope, as far as I know duty has to be paid each time it's shipped if it's not for personal use, which it's not. Hence the creation of the non-alcoholic essence, which doesn't acrue duty, and is much less volumunous to ship.Its cheap to import it to most Europe states. To say Guinees is different everywhere but Ireland is just plain wrong.
Coke also do the same thing. The Coke for Ireland is made and bottled in Dundalk. There's the whole "brewed under licence by" thing we get all the time. In Ireland Heineken is brewed under licence by Murphys in Cork. So all our Heineken comes from Cork, unless it says "export" on it, and thats just bottles. The draught stuff all comes from Cork, not Holland. Carlsberg is brewed under licence by Guinness. In Dublin. Doesn't come from Denmark.The U.S. I can understand its expensive to import it and it would make sense to brew it closer, and I'm not denying it is probably not the same.
An article with 3 guys claiming to be beer experts doesn't prove much to me.
Also, I don't blame Guinness for not answering them. Its just like Coca-Cola not giving out the "secret" recipe. I wouldn't either.
A) It's incredibly tacky.And what's wrong with drawing a clover in the head?
Nothing to do with Dublin at all I'm afraid. The best pints I've ever had are always outside Dublin, in a little small pub in the country where there's no rushin around and the barmen/women have the time to do it all properly... You'll often find a small pub somewhere that *all* they sell is Guinness...ryser2k said:Perhaps it is just the glory of the moment, sitting in a pub in Dublin sipping on a Guinness, that makes people think it tastes better
kenmc said:Nothing to do with Dublin at all I'm afraid. The best pints I've ever had are always outside Dublin, in a little small pub in the country where there's no rushin around and the barmen/women have the time to do it all properly... You'll often find a small pub somewhere that *all* they sell is Guinness...
kenmc said:whats rediculous?
Well to be fair then you *did* askorrelse said:What's ridiculous is you coming on to this forum as a self-proclaimed Guinness expert and stating your opinions as FACT, when you haven't cited a credible source on the topic yet. When you post some facts on Guinness distribution or barrels produced from the Guinness breweries, then I might be impressed.
As for dissing Ryser, no, I was simply trying to say that being in Dublin, the home of Guinness, does not make it taste better. Apologies to him if he felt it was a diss.What took me over the top was your latest comment. Come on. Ryser2k posts a legitimate idea about drinking a pint in Dublin and you come back with your own opinion dissing him.
Actually yes. The guinness tastes different in *every* pub. There are plenty of pubs where I will not drink the Guinness cos I don't like the taste of it. It's not like a bottle or a can where what goes into it comes out of it. There are so many different factors which affect the outcome from a keg - i've explained some of them already, also other things like the length of time the keg is there, how long the beer is sitting in the lines at the start of the day (some pubs run off several pints each morning before they serve the first one).What, the Guinness tastes different in the smaller pubs too? Give me a break.
you want facts - ok. to prove that the Guinness in the UK was not brewed in Ireland look at these. Are they all lying??You are trolling if I've ever seen it.
I'll be avoiding your posts on this forum from here on out out. I hate trolling. If you want to continue the Guinness battle, PM me from here on out and we will settle it so others don't have to see. PM me facts though, not your opinions.
kenmc said:Also, living in Ireland I think that it's a safe bet that I have access to a hell of a lot more pubs in which to drink Guinness than you do in Virginia, and I've also made a point of trying Guinness anytime I've been abroad, to see how it compares, so again I think I'm in a better position to critique on it than you are.
As for dissing Ryser, no, I was simply trying to say that being in Dublin, the home of Guinness, does not make it taste better. Apologies to him if he felt it was a diss.
If you look through those links you will see that after this summer, the London brewery will close, and production for the UK market will be returned to Dublin. Ergo the UK Guinness was not produced in Dublin, like I've already stated. You want your facts, there you go.
Janx said:There are definitely like 16 different recipes for the stuff. My stout on a nitrogen tap (what exactly is horrible about nitro beers, Ron??? I absolutely love them.) is better than any of them, though, and that's a FACT!
Always starting something...
From what I recall of my last visit to Dublin in the late 1980's the brewery at St James' Gate was still exporting Guiness to the UK. There was a small fleet of tankers which used to be filled on the Liffey with product tanked straight from the brewery and which sailed across to Liverpool to deliver the beer. IIRC correctly it was casked in Liverpool.patto1ro said:Some of the bottled Guinness sold in Britain has always been brewed in Ireland. It's easy to tell which, because it says "Brewed in Dublin" or "brewed in London" on the label. It was usually ones bottled by brewers in the North West of England that had Dublin Guinness. British draught Guinness was/is all brewed in London.
kenmc said:Unfortunately those ships have long since gone. There were 3 of them in all - can't remember the names of them though. Were class all the same. Dunno if they sank or what happened to them.
wierd. haven't seen the guinness draught bottles around here for a couple of years.... check the Best Before dateryser2k said:The plot thickens.... I bought a case of Guinness Draught bottles (with the widget in them) from a small time distributor here in PA. On the side of the bottle it says brewed at St. James Gate, imported by Diageo. So are they just lying to me, or was this beer really brewed in Ireland?
We have the Draught bottles (and cans) all over the place here. I haven't looked on the bottle to see where its brewed though....I'll do that tonight.kenmc said:wierd. haven't seen the guinness draught bottles around here for a couple of years.... check the Best Before date
Was generally regarded as a failure to try entice more women to drink Guinness - along the lines of the alcopop market....
I was in Ireland this fall.NM68657 said:I was in Ireland this past Summer and I think the Guiness in the states is a bit watery tasting compared to the GUiness in Ireland.
It was Hoppy like an IPA and dry and creamy like a Guinness.Alcohol by volume: 5%
Grain: Pale Malt, Crystal Malt, Wheat Malt, Flaked Barley, Roast Barley, Roast Malt.
Hops: Galena, Nugget, East Kent Goldings.
Made to a recipe originally brewed by Deasy's at West Cork in the early 1900's. This was Michael Collins' favourite tipple - a stout like your grandfather used to drink. A fine fullsome stout, full in every way, a pungent aroma of kettle hops. A generous quantity of roast grain for flavour, bitter with flaked barley producing that body.