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a photo of a camera my neighbor has put on a pole higher them my stockade fence

the yard is totally fence in

Legal, illegal or just not right........ your thoughts

all the best

S_M

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I don't know if it's illegal or legal, but it certainly is a privacy issue.

Depending on your relationship w/ your neighbor, you might ask about it. Perhaps before doing that, you might ask the Police for a ruling. Since you have taken pains to have a privacy fence, it seems to me that a camera whose positioning is designed to defeat that is little different than a Peeping Tom.
 
I don't know if it's illegal or legal, but it certainly is a privacy issue.

Depending on your relationship w/ your neighbor, you might ask about it. Perhaps before doing that, you might ask the Police for a ruling. Since you have taken pains to have a privacy fence, it seems to me that a camera whose positioning is designed to defeat that is little different than a Peeping Tom.


sadly the neighbor is a waste of human flesh

until I put up the fence they would watch me brew with binoculars and one day had the police out here because they told them I was making speed

of course being some what of smart ass told the police if I could make speed I would have no need for a day job

thanks for your thoughts

S_M
 
Move to Texas and you could shoot the camera......


In reality though I agree with mongoose.

I have thought about doing just that but being a three time convicted felon I do not have guns :(

also thought about pointing a laser at it and frying the CCD but that just makes it tit for tat

which i stopped playing at 10 years old

I may just rent a port a pottie and face the door to the camera then see if it is OK to point a camera at someone bathroom ;)


all the best

S_M
 
Definitely invasion of privacy & you can take him to court over that & the history of problems with unwarranted trouble from this overly-nosy neighbor. We do have laws against ignorant crap like this! I've called my union's lawyers over stuff like this & talked with them & the cops before about it. They're slowly learning to leave this long-haired country boy alone!
Charlie Daniels was outspoken on the subject as well...
 
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That would piss me the F off like I cant even imagine...BAD BAD things would happen if that was my nieghbor

I have already had those thoughts

wanted to stop them and throw a coffee can of unleaded in their pickup followed by a zippo

but my wife talked with me about all the downside to that idea

but I am with you

S_M
 
You really need to have it out with this nosy fool, your lawyers & the law! He is not allowed to invade your privacy looking for things to complain about that turn out to be completely innocent! They can't do that!!! Darn fools watched me with binoculars, then found themselves starin' at my rifle with a scope on it watchin' them right back! They stopped when the cops found out they were invading my privacy first.
 
I've thought a little more about this.

That camera has only one purpose, and that's to invade your privacy. I can't imagine there's not a law against that, but even if there isn't, perhaps a disorderly conduct charge, a stalking charge, something along those lines.
 
-Fill your yard with creepy clown manikins all facing the camera.
-Erect a screen facing the camera and project a slideshow of other peoples back yards onto it.
-Erect a screen facing the camera and project live image of THEIR back yard onto it.
-Erect a screen facing the camera and project pictures of very old people having sex onto it.

Just some thoughts. ;)

But really, that is an intrusion on your privacy of the highest order, not to mention stalking and harrasment. Get law enforcement involved. Sick f^$% your neighbor is.
 
Laser, BBgun or a sign in front of it that says bless off! I wouldn't stand for it!
 
I think its time to f%%k with them. Go out one night and dig a big hole in the yard, and assuming the wife will play along, drag her "dead body" through the yard and into the hole.

Or just call the police and tell them what your neighbor has done. I can't imagine this isn't akin to being a peeping tom
 

Not sure this applies. The basis of the argument in the link was police flying over at 1000 feet and readily observing marijuana plants growing in the backyard. It wasn't continuous surveillance and the camera in question in OP's post isn't from the police (presumably).

It seems to me--I'm no lawyer, and I don't play one on TV--that the OP put up a fence to gain some privacy; the next-door neighbor then installed a camera to circumvent that.
 
I think a judge would see it differently as this is a private citizen putting up the camera, not the police looking for criminal activity....

It could be possibly be considered harassment, though I suppose they would need to be doing something with the images to make the case. I'm not a lawyer, but I enjoy the hobby of photography. I can legally take photos of a person's home from a public area, and places where I am not trespassing, so from my own yard, or second story window, for example. I cannot stand on the sidewalk and legally zoom into your windows. That would be an invasion of privacy. Google Earth satellite images will show our property to anyone searching and there is a paid version that offers great detail. The neighbor could claim they wish to take pictures of birds that land on the fence.

Personally, I'd want to give them a bird when ever I walked by, but they may just want OP to feel like he is being watched, based on the call to police. Just my additional 2 cents.
 
Do you have a pool or something in your backyard? Maybe they're trying to get pics of your teenage daughter and friends around the pool. (That actually happened in Kentucky, only it was a drone. Homeowner shot it out of the sky with a shotgun.) My guess is, given your previous run in with them, that they still think you're making speed, or doing something illegal, and are trying to gather proof of it.

Try this. Go to Lowes or Home Depot, or get on Amazon, buy a really powerful spotlight, aim light right at camera. Now all they'll get is pics of a really bright light.
 
When you are in your own backyard you have an expectation of privacy. Call the police and they will have them take it down. I wouldn't do anything that would make you look like the bad guy in the scenario. If they still put it up just put a sign in front of it that says no trespassing.
 
Another thought, those trail cameras are triggered by motion. Put something out like a big fan or sheet in wind and fill up his memory stick. Keep him/her busy looking at tens of thousands pics of nothing
 
Devil's advocate here.
What if the OP is the bad neighbor here? What if he's out there beating his wife and kids regularly?
It's still invasion of privacy, I agree, but we don't have the full picture.
My sincerest apologies to OP Brew NY, I am not accusing you of domestic abuse!
I think asking the neighbor once politely to take it down, then call the cops, is the best option.
 
Another thought, those trail cameras are triggered by motion. Put something out like a big fan or sheet in wind and fill up his memory stick. Keep him/her busy looking at tens of thousands pics of nothing

How about putting up one of those "Don't tread on me" flags on a pole? That would serve multiple purposes at the same time. Fill up the memory stick, and send a subtle message to neighbor.
 
Your neighbors sound like dicks.

I'm with a few folks above - I think you should just call the police and report it. If it is criminal, just don't press charges. I think the fact that they've surveilled you before, coupled with at least one false report of criminal activity against you, means that this establishes a pattern. And that's what I would tell the police. You may be a 3 time felon, but you're the completely innocent party here, and the police are equally obligated to protect your rights. Lay it out politely and rationally and then let the police tell your neighbors that they're the ones skirting the law.
 
also thought about pointing a laser at it and frying the CCD but that just makes it tit for tat

A laser pointer won't fry the CCD, but it'll dazzle it so it won't record anything. There are web sites about how to do that on public surveillance cameras. You'd need the laser to be on a long time so you'd have to modify it to use a power supply instead of batteries.

A laser powerful enough to damage the CCD could also start a fire, so it's not something to be used indiscriminately. Besides, that would be damaging private property (as would shooting it). Definitely not legal.

Can you plant a fast-growing tree like a poplar to block its view? The world needs more trees.
 
I don't know your age, but maybe you could......


Step 1: have your kids or grandkids play out in the yard naked or in just their diapers/underwear in front of the camera.

Step 2: Call the police and report that you're suspicious of your neighbor harboring kiddie porn on his computer. Point out the camera to the nice police officer for verification. Problem solved.


In all seriousness, you mentioned you're a three time convicted felon. I don't know what you done in your past (and it's none of my business), but maybe your neighbor does and that might explain the camera and his previous calling the cops on you "making speed" on Brew Day.


Does that make it right? No, but it makes it harder, especially if the neighbor has never been in any kind of trouble. Your best bet is to play it safe. Get the police involved from the very getgo and see what they say about it. It probably wouldn't hurt to talk to an attorney to see what the laws are about cameras like that.


Good luck man. :tank:
 
Devil's advocate here.
What if the OP is the bad neighbor here? What if he's out there beating his wife and kids regularly?
It's still invasion of privacy, I agree, but we don't have the full picture.
My sincerest apologies to OP Brew NY, I am not accusing you of domestic abuse!
I think asking the neighbor once politely to take it down, then call the cops, is the best option.

do you live by me? ;)
 
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