Kegland flow control QD - foaming and low pressure

Homebrew Talk - Beer, Wine, Mead, & Cider Brewing Discussion Forum

Help Support Homebrew Talk:

Plop

Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2022
Messages
16
Reaction score
3
Hi there!

I recently started to keg, when I bought the equipment I figured it would be easier to have a quick disconnect with flow control (Product link) than having 10,000 ft of tubing in the kegerator.

I wanted to start with something simple and I made hop water. Then I started to run into foaming issues, the tap just pours foam and it does it really slowly.
Video below or link there: Video


















I did some troubleshooting:
- took the keg out
- put another flow control QD on it without any tubing and same problem
- I replaced it with a standard QD without flow control and I get loads of pressure and pretty much no foam

The flow control is opened as much as it can, not sure why I get no pressure. No clue regarding the foam, design flaw?

Am I using those QDs wrong somehow? Or did I just waste money on those fancy QDs?

Thanks!
 

3 Dawg Night

Пу́тін — хуйло́
Lifetime Supporter
Joined
Apr 14, 2020
Messages
1,930
Reaction score
2,633
Location
Huntsville, AL
I have no experience with flow control QDs, but I'd recommend trying EVABarrier tubing. It's a lot smaller diameter than normal beer tubing, so the lengths you use are a lot shorter.

I notice that kegland has discontinued the QDs, so I wonder if you weren't the only one having problems with them.

- I replaced it with a standard QD without flow control and I get loads of pressure and pretty much no foam

Have you adjusted the flow control QD "full throw" in both directions? Are you sure you have it adjusted in the correct direction? I'm not insulting your intelligence. When I have problems in my brewery, 85% of the time, it's something stupid-simple (i.e., user error) like that.
 

ANY

New Member
Joined
Apr 16, 2013
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
Location
Adelaide
I have a very similar problem. Mine produces 100% foam with the pressure I want... and they leak.
At first I thought that it was because they were still warm. 2 hours, no change.
I feel I too have wasted my money.
 

McMullan

wort maker
HBT Supporter
Joined
Dec 22, 2015
Messages
1,260
Reaction score
1,389
Try disassembling and cleaning. If that doesn't work, repeat and change the o-rings. I managed, with a struggle, to get mine working without any tubing/tap fitted directly. I wouldn't buy another one and I'm not surprised they've been discontinued. If Kegland release a more reliable plastic version in the future (I think they plan to) then they should exchange for these dysfunctional units, free of charge.
 
OP
OP
Plop

Plop

Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2022
Messages
16
Reaction score
3
Today, I made a couple of experiments with tubing this time and same result. No flow when set at the minimum and a painfully slow flow of foam when set at the maximum. No issue with a regular QD though.

I took it apart and cleaned it, I noticed a fair amount of vegetal matter coming from the hops. That does not bode well if I decide to brew an NEIPA… No improvement regarding the flow after cleaning.

Not sure why the o-rings would slow the flow or create foam but I’ll give it a shot.

I’ll keg a stout soon, I’ll see if the situation improves or if that was a waste of money.

No news from the customer service of Kegland unfortunately.
 

day_trippr

"This Space For Rent"
Joined
May 31, 2011
Messages
38,203
Reaction score
21,260
Location
Stow, MA
I imagine the adjustment mechanism is similar to that found on a flow control faucet - and those are not hop-debris-friendly, either.
Anyway...I think it's likely a tell that the QD is no longer in production...

Cheers!
 
OP
OP
Plop

Plop

Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2022
Messages
16
Reaction score
3
I just tried to change the o-ring, interestingly the one provided with the flow control QD is chunkier than a normal one. It could make sense that changing it fixes the flow issue but no luck on my end.
 

McMullan

wort maker
HBT Supporter
Joined
Dec 22, 2015
Messages
1,260
Reaction score
1,389
Replacing the potentially duff o-rings now is going to reduce the chance of any leaks occurring soon.
 

Brooothru

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 16, 2012
Messages
2,139
Reaction score
1,939
Location
Either in the brewery or on the road
Sorry to sound the fatalistic POV that others have stated, but my experience with flow control variable pressure QD's is the same as yours. I bought two several years ago. It seemed like a good design, at least conceptually, but I just couldn't make them work the way I wanted. They're stored away in a spare parts box somewhere.

As @3 Dawg Night said, I also saw where Kegland is discontinuing those QDs. I did have much better luck with the Perlick flow control taps, though they are pricey and sometimes finicky. The tap that has impressed me the most however is the Intertap Nukatap. Out-of-the-box, worked fine with smooth pours and no foam. They also make a flow control version but I haven't seen the need to go that route.

It's been a couple of years since I replaced lines in my kegerator so I just got some 4mm EVABarrier and a bunch of DuoTight fittings to change out everything from the keg disconnects to the faucet shanks in the tower shaft. All the parts have finally arrived so I may tackle the project tomorrow. Wish me luck.
 
OP
OP
Plop

Plop

Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2022
Messages
16
Reaction score
3
Sorry to sound the fatalistic POV that others have stated, but my experience with flow control variable pressure QD's is the same as yours. I bought two several years ago. It seemed like a good design, at least conceptually, but I just couldn't make them work the way I wanted. They're stored away in a spare parts box somewhere.

As @3 Dawg Night said, I also saw where Kegland is discontinuing those QDs. I did have much better luck with the Perlick flow control taps, though they are pricey and sometimes finicky. The tap that has impressed me the most however is the Intertap Nukatap. Out-of-the-box, worked fine with smooth pours and no foam. They also make a flow control version but I haven't seen the need to go that route.

It's been a couple of years since I replaced lines in my kegerator so I just got some 4mm EVABarrier and a bunch of DuoTight fittings to change out everything from the keg disconnects to the faucet shanks in the tower shaft. All the parts have finally arrived so I may tackle the project tomorrow. Wish me luck.

It sounds like you and I have the exact same setup. The 4mm tubing is pretty good I like it a lot, it stays manageable in the kegerator (5ish ft at 15psi). I'll use some 5mm tubing for stouts though, the 4mm introduces too much resistance for low pressure kegs.

The duotight fittings are super handy, I just find that the ones with an FFL connection are easy to break when tightening. After all they are made of plastic...
 
OP
OP
Plop

Plop

Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2022
Messages
16
Reaction score
3
Surprise, surprise…


Sounds like the perfect solution, they are suprisingly affordable when you compare it with flow control ball lock + duo tight fitting.
I would be curious to see the flow at a low pressure like 5psi or so.
 

day_trippr

"This Space For Rent"
Joined
May 31, 2011
Messages
38,203
Reaction score
21,260
Location
Stow, MA
I wouldn't expect the Aussie to spill his guts about discontinued products but I'm pretty sure the original SS version was discontinued because they were very pricey, did not work very well unless one could use very short lines or were using them for dispensing sodas (high pressure), and you had to use the included post O-rings otherwise they would leak, clearly a design error. Otherwise they were great ;)

These new designs look interesting though, particularly for travel/party setups, or for those who don't have enough taps to avoid having to change pressure setups for different styles...

Cheers!
 

k-os

Supporting Member
HBT Supporter
Joined
Jan 4, 2019
Messages
381
Reaction score
215
Location
Wisconsin
Any idea where these flow control connectors are being sold domestically in the States? Williams, More Beer, all the usual suspects don't show it in inventory, and shipping from Down Under is quite pricey.

I've found it's usually 4-6 months before we see the Kegland products available stateside once they put out the initial announcement.
 
OP
OP
Plop

Plop

Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2022
Messages
16
Reaction score
3
They are available in Canada:
 

McMullan

wort maker
HBT Supporter
Joined
Dec 22, 2015
Messages
1,260
Reaction score
1,389
Any idea where these flow control connectors are being sold domestically in the States? Williams, More Beer, all the usual suspects don't show it in inventory, and shipping from Down Under is quite pricey.
No, no idea. I get all my kegland peripherals from their aliexpress shop. Postage rates are getting a bit silly, though, especially on top of new VAT charges. So I’m thinking about opting out just based on that. The LHBSs trying to f*ck me over, to stuff their shareholders, can f*ck off too. I’m easy ✊
 

McMullan

wort maker
HBT Supporter
Joined
Dec 22, 2015
Messages
1,260
Reaction score
1,389
I should note too that ‘push fittings’ aren’t designed to be pushed indefinitely. I do wonder how my bulletproof CMB discos (with barbed flares) compare over time. I‘m pretty sure kegland could sell a dog turd on a slipper then come back six months later to sell a slipper without a dog turd or even two slippers with dog turds ;)
 
Top