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JonyMac's Stillwater Home Brewery Bar Basement Build Thread
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If you saw somebody pulling this
behind his car, you wouldn't think he was Bill Gates. But that is a $50,000 boat. That's what is amazing about this hobby. Extreme costs about what below average would cost in other hobbies.
That is a really good point! A few years ago we moved to a communuty near a lake, and my wife said we just HAD to get a boat. Bought a used one for $18K. I bet we haven't used that boat more than 25 times in the last 8 years. And pay $80 a month to keep it in storage. I'M PUTTING THAT DAMN THING UP FOR SALE TOMORROW TO START MY BREWERY BUILD!!! Unfortunately, space is my biggest hurdle to having a dedicated brew space. Dang Houston and it's no basements!
Calichusetts
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The two happiest days of a boater:
They day they buy their boat
They day they sell their boat
They day they buy their boat
They day they sell their boat
And not necessarily in that order.
kal
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My work here is done.
Like many I was floored when JonyMac first showed me the final pictures. He's been sending me pics for the last year or so as the work proceeded and picking my brain for ideas. I could easily see that this was going to be an epic build right from the start. Seeing the final pics here has me grinning from ear to ear and it's not even my basement! Hard to put into words, but it's so satisfying to see something I did be an inspiration (however minor) for others like this. It makes me think that may be I'm not so nuts after all...
If you plan on dumping water on to the floor because you have a floor drain/trough you want to use I'd definitely go with Ditra or similar. I'd build the brewery floor like it was a tiled shower.
In my case I don't dump on the floor. I've had a few spills here and there (mostly water) which get mopped up right away - no different than what you may have in a tiled kitchen (which doesn't have anything more than tile on plywood).
It all depends on the usage / how you like to brew. When I dump something I dump into the sink, but if you have a floor drain / trough you could as easily dump into that. I could see it being handy for cleaning/rinsing the conicals. When rinsing you could have a CIP ball inside and just dump on the floor.
I do have a small round floor drain (near the door to the brewery under my hops/yeast freezer) but it's for emergencies only - in case something somewhere leaks. The only other basement drain near the furnace is really far away.
You still need plywood or OSB over this dimpled underlay (we used something similar in our entire basement). You can't lay tile directly on to this underlay as it's not a stable surface. So from top down you'd have:
Tile
plywood
dimpled underlay (keeps moisture from the slab away)
Concrete slab
You can mortar the tile directly to the concrete too as JonyMac did. My contractor chose to not do this as you can get cracks over time in the concrete (normal) which then translate to cracks or separations in tile. Really depends on the age of the house/where it's built. My house was really new and the foundation was only 1-2 years old so some cracking/settling was still to be expected. YMMV.
Happy brewing!
Kal
P.S. for JonyMac: Your link to my theelectricbrewery.com website in the first sentence of your first post has a typo in the URL. It goes to http://www.thelectricbrewry.com/
be sure to look at the installation instructions for whatever membrane product is laid down. for ditra, you don't want to put plywood or any other substrate over the membrane. lay the tile directly on the ditra. one if ditra's functions is uncoupling, which prevents movement in the base material (e.g. concrete) from transfering up through the tile and causing cracking. placing plywood over ditra would defeat one of the purposes of putting ditra down in the first place.
bottom line, read the instructions.
kal
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Absolutely correct. Sorry if it caused any confusion, but I was only referring to the DELTA-FL product that jeffmeh was linking to. This stuff he linked to here:
http://www.cosella-dorken.com/bvf-ca-en/products/foundation_residential/floor/products/fl.php
The manufacturer talks about requiring plywood (or similar) between the floor covering and the DELTA®-FL membrane:
I think I mis-read jeffmeh's earlier post to mean that he installed tile directly over this DELTA-FL stuff which obviously he didn't do.
Yup! Always important!bottom line, read the instructions.
Kal
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Fantastic...
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Absolutely correct. Sorry if it caused any confusion, but I was only referring to the DELTA-FL product that jeffmeh was linking to. This stuff he linked to here:
http://www.cosella-dorken.com/bvf-ca-en/products/foundation_residential/floor/products/fl.php
The manufacturer talks about requiring plywood (or similar) between the floor covering and the DELTA®-FL membrane:
I think I mis-read jeffmeh's earlier post to mean that he installed tile directly over this DELTA-FL stuff which obviously he didn't do.
Yup! Always important!
Kal
Correct. Plywood underlayment over the membrane, anchored through the membrane to the concrete slab. Then the finished flooring. Made for a very comfortable basement floor, easier on the body because it had give, warmer and dryer because of the air gap. Note that the baseboard trim was elevated so that air could circulate through the entire perimeter, although that would not be obvious unless the bottom of the baseboard was at eye level.
We moved in July and our current finished basement has carpet over the slab. Not nearly as nice, and I'm not sure that I am willing to give up the few inches in ceiling height to use the product again. It's not high on the priority list, regardless.
My work here is done.
Like many I was floored when JonyMac first showed me the final pictures. He's been sending me pics for the last year or so as the work proceeded and picking my brain for ideas. I could easily see that this was going to be an epic build right from the start. Seeing the final pics here has me grinning from ear to ear and it's not even my basement! Hard to put into words, but it's so satisfying to see something I did be an inspiration (however minor) for others like this. It makes me think that may be I'm not so nuts after all...
Kal,
You sir, deserve all the credit. There is no way I could have envisioned this and pulled it off without you and Spike being the inspirations and pioneers in this area. And it was not a minor inspiration whatsoever. I am just lucky to be able to pull it off. Keep on pushing the envelope! I can't wait to see where you lead the community next. ...and you are nuts, my wife says I am for doing this, so YOU must be for dreaming it to begin with!
JonyMac
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Amazing!
JonyMac, did you ever get around to adding the flow meters to your raspberry pints? If so did you have a good clean solution for the installation of it all. Is there a case for the raspberry pi with the alaMode board? Where did you install the raspberry pi computer itself? I'm just wanting a good looking install for it all since I'm ready to order parts!
Just read a little closer that you are running off of a mac. Oops!
UPDATE:
Added a whirlpool port and side pickup tube to the setup. VERY happy with the new setup!
Whirlpool port running through the wort pump:
Sight glass added to whirlpool setup:
Video of the whole setup:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/959731/Brewery/Pickup%20Tube/IMG_2479.m4v
Post whirlpool:
Added a whirlpool port and side pickup tube to the setup. VERY happy with the new setup!
Whirlpool port running through the wort pump:
Sight glass added to whirlpool setup:
Video of the whole setup:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/959731/Brewery/Pickup%20Tube/IMG_2479.m4v
Post whirlpool:
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JonyMac, Minor question in your build, Where did you find your condensate hood, that looks exactly what I am looking for.
I used FastKitchenHoods from Canada from electricbrewery.com - http://fastkitchenhood.com/heat-hood.php Had it custom made to my specs - works awesome!
Goals my friend, this is goals all the way. Congratulations, I did read a bit but was wondering if you did all the work yourself or just acted as a GC
Some of both. I had a GC do the framing, plumbing and drywall and a carpenter do woodwork. I finished the woodwork for the bar and entertainment center and did all the design and buildout of the brewery.
Oldskooler
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Awesome work, you should be very proud!
Thanks Oldskooler! Beernutz - I found the lights on Etsy - ther are really freakin cool!
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