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Anyone try this yeast yet? I believe the yeast lab is a small outfit in Northern Virginia but I saw it on my LHBS website and was curious. I don’t brew frequently enough to take many chances so I’m curious if anyone has used it with any luck.
 
The only lager strain I’ve used is good old wlp833 which I thought worked very well. I spend a lot of time planning and replanning every next batch I want to make and I was intrigued by this strain.
 
I’ve got good temp control. I have a mini-fridge with an anvil temp controller and a komos kegerator that I use to ferment in when it’s not in use. I ran the 833 at 48 for primary ferment, probably would run the Franconian at 52 based on the website.
 
I think I might give it a go. My plan is to get a sack of barke Vienna to try and just brew some SMaSH beers for the next few batches so it might be worth giving the Franconian a try.

If I can time it right maybe I can have a keg of Vienna/hallertau with the Franconian and another Vienna/hallertau with 833 and see the difference.
 
Another name for the yeast strain is TUM-35 that might ring more bells than “Jasper Franconian”
 
Yes, I've brewed with TUM35 (~25 beers) and really like it. It is a good example of a production yeast; might be less forgiving on the home brew side, but otherwise makes very nice lagers. It ferments out dry, crisp, and clean with little sulfur and diacetyl. To the original issue with the yeast, it sediments slowly, and needs a few days at <35F if you are going to crop it. Zinc helps. Flavor wise, it is similar to 34/70, but cleaner and more crisp. With high pitch rates, this yeast can make beer as clean as any lager yeast I've used. It really shines in hoppy pilsners or where you want a clean malt flavor. I pitch at 1.5 m/c/ml/P and 14ppm O2. Pitch at 48F and its clean/happy up to 55F.
 
Yes, I've brewed with TUM35 (~25 beers) and really like it. It is a good example of a production yeast; might be less forgiving on the home brew side, but otherwise makes very nice lagers. It ferments out dry, crisp, and clean with little sulfur and diacetyl. To the original issue with the yeast, it sediments slowly, and needs a few days at <35F if you are going to crop it. Zinc helps. Flavor wise, it is similar to 34/70, but cleaner and more crisp. With high pitch rates, this yeast can make beer as clean as any lager yeast I've used. It really shines in hoppy pilsners or where you want a clean malt flavor. I pitch at 1.5 m/c/ml/P and 14ppm O2. Pitch at 48F and its clean/happy up to 55F.
Thanks for the insight! My hope would be to use it in simple SMaSH lagers to begin with and go from there. I don’t know that I would harvest from the fermenter, I was thinking to overbuild starters and save some aside. Why not do both I guess.

I have read very limited things about it but I saw some references to it being tart or having a lemon note. Have you encountered this?
 
Thanks for the insight! My hope would be to use it in simple SMaSH lagers to begin with and go from there. I don’t know that I would harvest from the fermenter, I was thinking to overbuild starters and save some aside. Why not do both I guess.

I have read very limited things about it but I saw some references to it being tart or having a lemon note. Have you encountered this?
I have not got any tartness or lemon flavors. Maybe a touch of fruitiness in the first generation, as is common with most lagers. I would recommend harvesting/repitching to get the truest character. I've gone up to generation 8 with this yeast and the best beers were gen 2 onwards.
 
I’ll have to give harvesting a try then. I’ve been meaning to try yeast harvesting for a while but I always worry about contamination/not brewing frequently enough so viability might be an issue.
 
I was really looking forward to using this yeast and the first beer I brewed (a pale Kellerbier) was excellent. But the Festbier I brewed with repitched yeast has a weird not quite sulphury but I don't know how to describe it flavor. I brewed it in August and it has been lagering away in my beer fridge ever since then. The off flavor has lessened but is still there.

I did a group buy of 4 or 5 packs for my homebrew club as several of us wanted to try this yeast, especially after hearing Randy Mosher talk about it and because Schilling uses it for their Landbiers. But my friend (who is a big Schilling fanboy) also had the same flavor with the Vienna lager he brewed. So I've kinda given up on using it.

I did have good luck recently with the Bootleg Beta release of their Franconian Keller Lager yeast. I brewed a Schwarzbier that is still tasting great. Next up is an amber Kellerbier. That will be the real test.
 
OK ya'll have me wondering now. My next up brew is my tried and true Czech Pilsner. I have only used 34/70 in pilsner in the past but I'm adventurous, I'm thinking maybe I should try TUM 35. Any thoughts out there regarding substituting TUM 35 for 34/70? Should I go for it or stick with what I'm familiar with?
 
I was really looking forward to using this yeast and the first beer I brewed (a pale Kellerbier) was excellent. But the Festbier I brewed with repitched yeast has a weird not quite sulphury but I don't know how to describe it flavor. I brewed it in August and it has been lagering away in my beer fridge ever since then. The off flavor has lessened but is still there.

I did a group buy of 4 or 5 packs for my homebrew club as several of us wanted to try this yeast, especially after hearing Randy Mosher talk about it and because Schilling uses it for their Landbiers. But my friend (who is a big Schilling fanboy) also had the same flavor with the Vienna lager he brewed. So I've kinda given up on using it.

I did have good luck recently with the Bootleg Beta release of their Franconian Keller Lager yeast. I brewed a Schwarzbier that is still tasting great. Next up is an amber Kellerbier. That will be the real test.
Dang that’s a bummer to hear about the weird flavors. Any idea what happened? I checked the bootleg strain but it looks sold out.
OK ya'll have me wondering now. My next up brew is my tried and true Czech Pilsner. I have only used 34/70 in pilsner in the past but I'm adventurous, I'm thinking maybe I should try TUM 35. Any thoughts out there regarding substituting TUM 35 for 34/70? Should I go for it or stick with what I'm familiar with?
I was thinking to use it in a Vienna hallertau SMaSH to see what it brings to the table.
 
Dang that’s a bummer to hear about the weird flavors. Any idea what happened? I checked the bootleg strain but it looks sold out.

No idea really. I repitch lager yeasts all the time with no difficulty. Maybe it was the batch we got because two of us with different packs bought at the same time had the same off flavor.

My family is out of town this weekend so I’m definitely brewing a Kellerbier. I need to make a starter.
 
Bootleg just announced that they are re-releasing the Kellerbier yeast soon.
I guess it was a popular strain! I think what I’ll do is take a crack at the Jasper labs Franconian, harvest from ferment and store, then get my hands on the Bootleg yeast and do the same. See which I prefer.

I also realize that I have 2 5 gallon kegs that haven’t used yet. I could do a split batch and ferment in the kegs. I’ve had those in addition to my “serving kegs” but it never occurred to me to ferment in them. Floating dip tube here I come!
 
I have not got any tartness or lemon flavors. Maybe a touch of fruitiness in the first generation, as is common with most lagers. I would recommend harvesting/repitching to get the truest character. I've gone up to generation 8 with this yeast and the best beers were gen 2 onwards.
A quick question about harvesting/repitching. Do you harvest from primary or overbuild starters and save them aside for later? Trying to plan ahead and see which is the best bet for me given that I don’t brew terribly often.
 
Picking up the ingredients tomorrow from the shop!

12lbs barke Vienna, 1.5oz mittelfrüh at 60, 1.5oz mittelfruh at 15, Jasper Franconian yeast. Hoping to get this brewed next weekend.
 
Grew up a 3 liter starter of the Franconian and pulled about 200ml off at the end to grow up a 1 liter starter to save for later!
 

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Brew day went pretty well today, opened my sack of Barke Vienna and I can’t remember if I weighed out 9lbs or 12lbs. So I either got really good efficiency or kinda bad efficiency. Either way, 1.052.

Pitched a cold crashed 3 liter starter worth of yeast. It must’ve taken off like crazy, pitched 52 degrees at 11:30AM and the cold crash guardian is already full and firm. I’ve never had a yeast take off quite this fast!
 

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Took a gravity reading today for the heck of it and it’s down to 1.018 a bit over 72 hours after pitch. I didn’t expect the yeast to be this fast, I’m surprised! Hopefully it drops down a few more points. Will likely give it to Friday then start bumping up for a diacetyl rest.
 
I thought I made an update but I guess I never did!

It finished at 1.011 on 4/13, so 5 days of fermentation…a lot faster than I was expecting. I held it at 52 for a few more days then slowly ramped to 60 for 4 days then walked it back down to 35 for a couple days. At kegging it seemed clear enough that I decided to skip the gelatin finings, and while it’s not crystal clear, it’s pretty clear.

It came out very good! Very clean, nice rich malt flavor, toasty, but well balanced by the hops. (Pictures to follow). I will definitely use the yeast again since I set aside ~200B cells. Thinking of going with a schwarzbier something like 90% barke Vienna, 5% chocolate wheat and 5% carafa iii special.
 
Cross post from pic of your pint but here is the end product. Oddly, I feel the hops come across a little better now after some time than before.
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Not crystal clear, but mostly clear. Would’ve been brilliant if I had gone with the gelatin I think.
 
Finally(!), I managed to score a pitch of Jasper yeast!


Annapolis Homebrew started selling retail packages last year, but my dumb luck and infrequent trips out there conspired in such a way that there was never a strain that interested me when I was at the shop. Last week, though, I got my hands on a pitch of Franconian Lager.

When they first started carrying Jasper I asked about it at the counter and remarked about how substantial Jasper's pitch is--it's a big, heavy, solid pitch. Remember how Imperial and Omega seemed big and heavy compared to Wyeast and Whitelabs? Jasper's pitch is the same, except it's big and heavy vs. an Imperial or Omega pitch. The person behind the counter remarked that they're really 10gal pitches and I jokingly agreed, saying "Really makes you wonder if you could direct pitch 6-gals of lager with one of these monsters." We both thought about it and smiled. She said, "We just started carrying them, so we haven't tried that yet--you know, it might be able to do it."

That stuck with me and it made me wonder.

Here are some pictures of this husky boy on a scale and a further picture of a Wyeast smack pack on that scale. Bear in mind that a good proportion of the smack pack's weight is taken up by the activator fluid, whereas the Jasper pack is pure slurry. I wish I had a pitch of Imperial or Omega available because they're much better comps. Nevertheless, you can see you're getting good value for your twelve bucks. This chungus is an overbuilder's dream!
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I, however, had something different in mind. I wanted to see if it's the lazy man's dream.

I prefer brewing lagers with dry yeast because dry yeast pitches are cheap (if you buy them from RiteBrew), easy, make outstanding beers, and once you get past the slow first pitch are complete animals that will take a lager to TG in five days using modern methods...and keep doing it until you lose faith and decide, unnecessarily, to repitch. Modern dry lager yeast is a miracle!

Ah, but outside of 34/70, -23, -189, and Diamond (if you don't consider it a 34/70 derivative) there isn't much variety in dry strains. True, but it's an unfair criticism because there isn't much room for yeast expression in lager strains.

And that's what makes the Franconian Lager strain interesting. According to Jasper, it's a strain that fell out of favor in the 1960's-70s. Perhaps, like the reborn heirloom malts, this heirloom strain might offer something unique to contemporary lager brewers?

Lager yeast is kinda lager yeast, but, what the hell, let's find out.

I direct pitched my pack three days ago, onto a step mashed Pre-Prohibition Pils wort that was pH controlled from the MT through to the fermenter, oxygenated for 90sec, treated with Wyeast nutrient, and given a shot of ionic zinc. In other words, it was the best, most fermentable wort that I know how to produce. I did push it a bit on the gravity, 1.050, and the pitch temp, sub-50F.

As you can see, it is responding much like a pitch of two sachets of dry yeast is apt to do. It's a much shorter lag time, but roughly on the same glide path. That's pretty impressive for a single direct pitch of liquid yeast.

Initial pitch of S-189 at 1.046 on a wort of similar composition (less the ionic zinc).
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Franconian Lager on day three, lag? What lag?:
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Its current performance is hard to measure, though. The fermentation is very active, it blew the auxiliary airlock on my anti-suckback rig dry, and the TILT's readings are all over the place. Clearly, it's throwing a big, active krausen. I think the gravity is actually lower than the data that I've presented, but I won't know that until high krausen has passed and the gravity, as I suspect, plummets as the raucous krausen subsides. It's a very active, very vigorous fermentation.

Provided Jasper has the resources available to push into the retail business, I think the legacy yeast companies are going to have to up their pitch volume, or drop their prices.

Jasper is one of the few no BS values in homebrewing right now...and a shot at White Lab's, ever less and less economical, heart. Fortunately for White Labs and, as evidenced by the handwriting on my pouch, Jasper is still a small operation in the homebrew market. That could and should change quickly.
 
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I really enjoyed the Franconian yeast. Apparently the TUM-35 strain fell out of favor because it had unpredictable performance with the malts of varying quality from yesteryear. It was discovered in a lab freezer in Munich I think I read.

I think Jasper is a solid yeast supplier - granted I’ve only used their Franconian strain but I’ve heard others having great experiences as well. In my next string of lagers I plan to use their Munich lager strain. Looks like it attenuates well and can work in a range of lagers. Hoping it provides dry crisp lagers but doesn’t strip the malt. We shall see!
 
Sorry about the bum photos in my initial post. I've edited them and they should be displaying properly now.

Here's an update on the fermentation. I started the cold crash two days ago, so I have a full fermentation curve to report.

OG 1.050, crashed on day 12:
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Again, here's two sachets of S-189 on a 1.047 pitch for comparison:
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Good stuff, Jasper Yeast! They actually make a direct pitch-able lager yeast. Will I do this again? Likely not. This was a stunt brew aimed at bigging up a local yeast producer that unambiguously provides actual value for the dollar--looking at you, White Labs.

No tasting notes for a couple more weeks. Frankly, I'm a little uneasy about skipping the D-rest on this heirloom yeast, but part of the experiment is treating it like a contemporary dry yeast. Time will tell...
 
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Also at Maryland Homebrew where I get my supplies the pouches are $9.99. You can’t beat the quantity and quality at that price point.
Sadly, that's not the case anymore. I They're twelve bucks at Annapolis, putting them in line with Omega, Imperial, and Wyeast. Which is totally fair.

Whitelabs, having lost their minds, aren't worth paying attention to anymore.

For the record, I live in DC, so I simply drove out there for my pack of Jasper Yeast. Don't try my stunt brew if you mail order from Annapolis. Writing at the end of May, I assure you, it'll end in tears!
 
Sadly, that's not the case anymore. I They're twelve bucks at Annapolis, putting them in line with Omega, Imperial, and Wyeast. Which is totally fair.

Whitelabs, having lost their minds, aren't worth paying attention to anymore.

For the record, I live in DC, so I simply drove out there for my pack of Jasper Yeast. Don't try my stunt brew if you mail order from Annapolis. Writing at the end of May, I assure you, it'll end in tears!
Oh nice! I’m a bit northwest of DC in Maryland. I should make the drive down there sometime and check out the source. Even at $12 for a pouch I’d say that’s good especially considering wyeast probably has half or less the yeast count. I was really impressed with the Franconian lager yeast, and if I didn’t really want to try their Munich strain I’d probably go back to it for my string of lagers this fall.

They seem to have a really nice collection of yeasts, I’m intrigued by their Belgian strains as well particularly the Benedict strain. I’ll support the local yeast lab especially with the high quality.
 
Oh nice! I’m a bit northwest of DC in Maryland. I should make the drive down there sometime and check out the source. Even at $12 for a pouch I’d say that’s good especially considering wyeast probably has half or less the yeast count. I was really impressed with the Franconian lager yeast, and if I didn’t really want to try their Munich strain I’d probably go back to it for my string of lagers this fall.

They seem to have a really nice collection of yeasts, I’m intrigued by their Belgian strains as well particularly the Benedict strain. I’ll support the local yeast lab especially with the high quality.
It's a pleasant drive and one that I made daily when I used to work on Kent Island. The only downside is that if you take 50 you have to cross the Severn River Bridge, which can be a real drag on a weekend morning this time of year.
 
Final fermentation curve, prior to kegging. As you can see it's fully crashed and just waiting for a keg to blow. I was hoping that I could quickly get it into a keg, but the Law of Keg Necessity* is in full force on this beer.

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*The law states: "Any keg you would like to fill will last for at least a further month while any keg you hope will last until the end of the weekend will blow on the next pint."
 
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