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As far as flavor is concerned, I honestly don't get much flavor out of Japanese adjunct lagers. I'm always a bit perplexed when people want to clone them. I guess it's just a challenge that people want to attempt?
I buy very little commercial beer, if I want a particular style I will brew it. My interest in rice lagers though is/was more to see if rice would help with the chill haze I seem to be plagued with for the last couple of years. I know I can fine the beer but I prefer a more natural approach.
 

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I've been in Japan for 20+ years. I'd say go with the Saaz, definitely not the Sorachi Ace.

As far as flavor is concerned, I honestly don't get much flavor out of Japanese adjunct lagers. I'm always a bit perplexed when people want to clone them. I guess it's just a challenge that people want to attempt?

Japanese adjunct lagers are clean and dry. It's not so much about the rice. It's about the process.
for me as a homebrewer, it’s taking something as simple as an adjunct lager, and giving it more character. That’s always been the craft mantra right? I’ve never been interested in cloning a specific beer that I will never brew as well as the commercial ones

given the very basic base of base malt and rice (which I much prefer to the American/Mexican corn adjunct addition), you can still make it more interesting. You can make it more bitter like a Pilsner, add a fruitier flare using New Zealand hops or modern new world hops, play with the malt bill to add some malt complexity/or make it even lighter, whatever tickles your fancy. No reason to think you have to make a Sapporo/Kirin/asahi clone exactly to style. But you can use that guideline to build off of where it’s still recognizable.
 

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This one has 20% flaked rice from an Indian grocery, and 3% chit malt, which has a very positive effect on the foam and retention. 10 days bottled and while I’ll leave the bulk of them a few more weeks, tonight I’ll have a few more haha
I think I've heard of chit malt before but not sure. I use rye malt to do the same thing but don't know if a beer this light would stand up to a few percent rye without changing the taste. Anybody have an opinion about adding just a little rye to an adjunct lager or (high-attenuated ale mimicking a lager)?

I also need to hit the Indian/Pakistani grocer and see what kinds of grains they have.
 

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Reviving this thread...

Going to attempt this on Tuesday (likely) using "Forbidden" rice (aka Black Rice) to see if there's any colour that I can get out of it. I'm hopeful but we'll see...
Keeping the rice at about 30% of the grist whilst BestMalz Heidelberg makes up almost all of the rest with a smidge of Carafoam. Sticking with 34/70 via WLP830 / Escarpment Labs Isar Lager and fermenting under pressure.
 

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Reviving this thread...

Going to attempt this on Tuesday (likely) using "Forbidden" rice (aka Black Rice) to see if there's any colour that I can get out of it. I'm hopeful but we'll see...
Keeping the rice at about 30% of the grist whilst BestMalz Heidelberg makes up almost all of the rest with a smidge of Carafoam. Sticking with 34/70 via WLP830 / Escarpment Labs Isar Lager and fermenting under pressure.
I did one with 3 lbs jasmine rice, 3 lbs barke Pilsner, 3 lbs 2-row. Sorachi ace hops and 34/70. Pretty good beer
 

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Ya... I have considered adding some Ella at flameout as well but... hmm.. not sure what it'll do with Sorachi Ace. That said, I went with the Heidelberg because I've liked what I get from it in other pilsners (in terms of colour) if there's zero colour imparted from the black rice.
 

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Ya... I have considered adding some Ella at flameout as well but... hmm.. not sure what it'll do with Sorachi Ace. That said, I went with the Heidelberg because I've liked what I get from it in other pilsners (in terms of colour) if there's zero colour imparted from the black rice.
I’ve heard the black rice will give you a purplish color but not sure if it lasts
 

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Is Isar 34/70? I don't think it is... Unless you know something I don't?
To the best of my knowledge based on discussions I've had with Escarpment, it's "awfully close" :D

Isar Lager is akin to WLP830 which is akin to Wyeast 2124 which is akin to Imperial's L13 which is akin to Omega's OYL-106 (and obviously Fermentis 34/70).

For a long time our club had been asking for identification of the strains produced by Escarpment and how they compare to other yeast producers (specifically Wyeast, White Labs and Imperial) because we'd like to support our local yeast producer (fresher yeast after all) and we finally received confirmation sometime last year (if memory serves correctly) from Escarpment.

And while Escarpment (or any Yeast producer) would never say the strains are identical - they do say they're comparable or "similar"
 
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