I can't get it up.........(trub)

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jwright

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My Trub pile that is........
I just finished brewing an extract version of Midwest's Ferocious IPA. 3 oz of hop pellets, 2 oz of which added across the last 20 min. Ive been having trouble siphoning my beer off the trub/break material since I started. For this batch I used only 1/2 of a whirlfloc tab, I cooled the batch in 12 min using my IC, Whirlpooled very vigorously (2 min) with a really nice vortex. let sit for 15 min, looked really clear and the rotation had stopped so I started siphoning. I got about 3 gal through the 5.5 gal when I started sucking trub. I pulled the siphon and repeated, waited about 15 min again and was able to get another gallon, I could see the trub, and there was no pile (mound or pyramid) just flat liquidy goo. Tried one last time, stirred 3 min, vortex to bottom of pot, waited 20 min until no activity, but still no pile, just a small amount of clear beer over flat break material. I Could not leave 1.5 gallons of this sweet necter behind, plus I figured that some of that material I was trying to leave behind was my hop aroma/flavor and some yeast goodies. I ended up compromising by sccoping 3-4 pints of the top layer out and into the carboy. So....
1. What is the secret to a good pile (i've searched the board and read the wiki) - some people suggest waiting longer, but there was no more rotation when I siphoned.
2. Or skip the whirlpool and filter with a paint filter bag (over IC, or into ferm, etc).
3. To trub or not to trub - I usually rack after 1 week. I know that many just empty the kettle into the fermentor, but I'm a little OCD about the gunk. I'm thinking this might be the easiest but I'll need some convincing.


Ohh merciless gods of trub, what have I done to offend thee

Somebody please help, and I'll praise you with every pour of my my next batch.
Thanks
Jason
 

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Break material is actually good for your yeast and gives you a healthy fermentation. You just don't want ALL of it in there. Whirlpool, leave behind what you can and know what gets through into your primary isn't a bad thing
 
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yeah, thats what part of my brain is telling me, but how much? I had 1 1/2 gal of the stuff. It is kinda of all or none. I mean the beer is very clear until I hit the trub/break material then its thick with goo. So take 1/2, 1/4, or just what little I suck up getting that last of the clear wort?
I am starting to like the idea of draining into or siphoning from a filter bag. May here use 5gal paint strainer bags, but I bet the larger nylon hop bags would work as well.
My last beer, I ended up saying f&%*k it, and drained the entire kettle in. One week in primary and 4 weeks in the secondary and it was completly clear going into the keg.
It is so frustrating to get hung up on such a minor step. My equipment, partial mash, kegging, and full boils have all gone so well (so far). This seems like such a trivial thing.
Failure to whirlpool, Its my shame - the homebrewer's equivalent of bed wetting.
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I'm with you in that my whirlpool attempts did not work either. My pot has a flat bottom but I don't know if that had anything to do with it. I line a 3 gallon sanitized bucket with a paint strainer and pour the last gallon into the bucket, raise the bag and let it drain off. It works pretty well and there is still a fair bit of trub left in the fermentor.
 

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I stopped using a hop bag, so after I cool my wort the whole thing just gets poured through a strainer. So for me, big chunks of goop get stopped and small bits of goop pass through. It all settles out in the fermenter anyway.
 

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I stopped using a hop bag, so after I cool my wort the whole thing just gets poured through a strainer. So for me, big chunks of goop get stopped and small bits of goop pass through. It all settles out in the fermenter anyway.
I used to do that too, using either a a big strainer in a large funnel for carboys and a 5 gallon nylon/elastic paint strainer bag for buckets.

But since I got my wort chiller (which I use both outdoors and for my stovetop brewing) and can get my temps really low, quite quickly, now I just use my autosiphon to move it to the fermenter. I usually rest the bottom of the AS on the first ring of the IC, which lifts it up above the layer of break and trub.

Works great.
 
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