Help me pick my hop schedule for IPA (Simcoe, Amarillo, Citra, Cascade, Columbus)

[Jayhem]

So I'm brewing a red IPA.

I have the following quantities of these hops left and want to use them all

5.5 gallon batch with OG 1.058

I want to hit 65 IBU's.

What hop schedule would you use?

Here is what I have to work with:
Simcoe: 1oz
Amarillo: 1oz
Citra: 1 oz
Cascade: 2.5 oz
Columbus 1.5 oz



Here is my anticipated hop schedule:
1oz Columbus @ 60
3/4oz Cascade @25
1/4oz Amarillo @ 15 (is this a waste? Should I just whirlpool these?)
1/4oz Simcoe @ 15 (is this a waste? Should I just whirlpool these?)
1/2oz Citra whirlpool
1oz Cascade whirlpool
1/2oz Columbus whirlpool
3/4oz Amarillo Dry hop
3/4oz Simcoe Dry hop
3/4oz Cascade Dry hop.

What would you do differently? Remember I need to hit 65 IBU's.

 

[kingwood-kid]

What I would do: Add .75CTZ and 1 Cascade at 60. I don't know the exact alpha acid% of your hops, but that should give you 60-65IBUs. Everything else, I would mix together and add 2/3 at whirlpool and 1/3 at dry-hop.

 

[Jayhem]

What I would do: Add .75CTZ and 1 Cascade at 60. I don't know the exact alpha acid% of your hops, but that should give you 60-65IBUs. Everything else, I would mix together and add 2/3 at whirlpool and 1/3 at dry-hop.

I put the Columbus at 60 because my Columbus is 12.5 AA% My Cascades are only 6% AA

 

[kingwood-kid]

I understand your reasoning. Since you have a lot a Cascade, I thought that using some of it to bitter and saving some of the CTZ for late adds would give you a more complex and less fruit-dominated beer, which I would want in a red.

 

[bobbrews]

0.5 oz. Columbus @ 75 or 60
1.0 oz. Columbus @ 15 or 10
1.0 oz. Cascade @ 10 or 5
1.0 oz. Citra @ warm hopstand
1.0 oz. Cascade @ warm hopstand
1.0 oz. Simcoe @ 7-10 day dryhop
1.0 oz. Amarillo @ 7-10 day dryhop
0.5 oz. Cascade @ 7-10 day dryhop

 

[Jayhem]

I understand your reasoning. Since you have a lot a Cascade, I thought that using some of it to bitter and saving some of the CTZ for late adds would give you a more complex and less fruit-dominated beer, which I would want in a red.

Remind me what CTZ is? Is that the same as Columbus?

0.5 oz. Columbus @ 75 or 60
1.0 oz. Columbus @ 15 or 10
1.0 oz. Cascade @ 10 or 5
1.0 oz. Citra @ warm hopstand
1.0 oz. Cascade @ warm hopstand
1.0 oz. Simcoe @ 7-10 day dryhop
1.0 oz. Amarillo @ 7-10 day dryhop
0.5 oz. Cascade @ 7-10 day dryhop

I like this, simple and effective...I'm just not sure I'll get enough IBU's with only 1/2oz bittering hop at 12%AA but I'll just adjust it as needed by pulling some of the 15 min additions up to 60 min.

Thanks!

 

[bobbrews]

You should get enough IBUs for that batch size, a low 1.058 OG, and that loose schedule I gave you. Work around it to fit your system/recipe until it makes sense.

 

[kingwood-kid]

CTZ=Columbus/Tomahawk/Zeus. One hop, three names. Or four. Personally, I'd want closer to 55 IBUs, but it's not my beer. I think you'll get a fine beer by using those hops late in the process; obviously there are innumerable combinations of amounts, times and methods.

 

[Jayhem]

CTZ=Columbus/Tomahawk/Zeus. One hop, three names. Or four. Personally, I'd want closer to 55 IBUs, but it's not my beer. I think you'll get a fine beer by using those hops late in the process; obviously there are innumerable combinations of amounts, times and methods.

Thanks.

The only reason I want a little higher BU:GU ratio is because this is a RED IPA that has about 3X the amount of Crystal malts as most IPA's for a full bodied, sweeter amber IPA...I figured higher IBU's were necessary to balance the sweetness.

 

[kingwood-kid]

Remember when IPAs were pale and were formulated to survive the long, slow boat ride to India? Now they come in every color imaginable and are best drank ultra-fresh. How times change...I see what you mean about the IBUs vs. sweetness. Do you want it thick and sticky-sweet, or just red & caramelly? I brewed a reddish-brown IPA with .6lb Special B, but no other caramel malts,the gravity went from 76 to 14, in line with a standard IPA. Very tasty.