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My son went to Ireland a couple years ago and had some Hop House 13 from Guinness and he wants me to try to make something similar. I've searched and searched for a clone recipe but have come up empty. Apparently you can't even buy this beer in the US, so it's going to be really hard for me to figure out what tastes similar.

Anyone ever had this beer?

GUINNESS® HOP HOUSE 13 LAGER

BEER TASTING NOTES:
Aroma: Light and hoppy with floral and citrus notes
Flavor: Flavorful lager, hoppy and citrusy on the nose
Palate: Lively palate, crisp and refreshing
ABV: 5% ABV
Appearance: Dense head on a golden amber colored beer
Hops: Galaxy, Topaz, Mosaic
 
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It's been a while since I've had it, but despite the sexy hops my memory is of pretty anonymous Eurolager, somewhere in the helles/Vienna mould.

So I'd start with pilsner malt with a bit of Vienna or crystal, don't go for too much bitterness, carbonation or flavour...
 
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Thanks, I should mention my son is a novice beer drinker, so limited flavor is to be expected from his young palate.
 

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It's been a while since I've had it, but despite the sexy hops my memory is of pretty anonymous Eurolager, somewhere in the helles/Vienna mould.

So I'd start with pilsner malt with a bit of Vienna or crystal, don't go for too much bitterness, carbonation or flavour...
I came here to see what others were doing for a HH13 clone. Your summary of the beer struck me a little. It's definately NOT a boring, tasteless Euro lager. If anything it's a hybrid between an IPA and a Euro larger. It is, to my taste anyway, quite heavily hopped. Not that bitter, quite fruity and tangy, but definately not flavourless. It's also heavily carbonated. Though I agree it's not that bitter, though definitely full of fruity/tangy/sharp hop flavours.

Very similar to Archies or Maggies Leap IPAs which is what the the local pubs offer when they don't have it.

There is always the possibility that the version which gets exported to the states is different.

I'm not really aiming for a true clone, but want to get some of that hop taste into a red ale. But when I put the three hops listed into a brew calc with only 25g each and 30/15/5 mins I get insanely high IBUs like 60. Googling suggests HH13 should be around 18-20.

I can't find Topaz locally, but Summit was suggested as an alternative. So... aiming for a fruity, sharp, tangy IPA-like beer, how would you profile these three?

Summit
Mosaic
Galaxy
?
 

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Hi all,

My partner is just starting brewing and would love to get him the recipe of hop house 13 - did anyone manage to make a clone?
 

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Big fan of hop house. it’s in most bars now in Dublin, They had an advert for hop house on tv here in Ireland and it said they use Polaris Hops. But on there website it doesn’t list that hop.
 

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Lets crank this thread up. So I'm looking to create, collaborate or steal a recipe to pull this together. After some short research, I have this to offer.

Knowns:
- They use the St James water profile
- They Use Galaxy(AUS), Topaz(AUS) and Mosaic(USA), double hopped.
- They use Guinness yeast, as stated on their site. (debate topic below)
- Irish barley (stated on their site)

Unknowns:
- Grain bill
- Adjuncts (rye? flaked barley? oats? corn? rice?)
- Clarifying agent? (Worfloc? Irish moss? gelatin?)
- Hop addition timing?

Tasting notes:
Crisp, full flavoured, subtle malty, and fresh hop aroma.
- Aroma: Light and hoppy with floral and citrus
- Flavour: Full flavoured, hoppy with hints of peach and apricot
- Palate: Lively, crisp and refreshing

Debate 1 - Anyone think they use the same yeast as Guinness Stout, just at lower (lager) temps? this might be where they might end up with the peach and apricot notes. Or, have they come up with a different yeast all together? or is that all coming through the Galaxy hop?

Debate 2 - Their site states "Irish Barley". Are there maltsters in Ireland? Does Guinness have a local supplier? Any Irish homebrewers have info on this? or do they just add "Irish Barley" to the grain bill?

I think they use the Topaz as bittering, however subtle it may be, but when? And how much? Mosiac late possibly for the citrus hit?

Lets get this pulled together!
 

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Debate 2 - Their site states "Irish Barley". Are there maltsters in Ireland? Does Guinness have a local supplier? Any Irish homebrewers have info on this? or do they just add "Irish Barley" to the grain bill?

I don’t have anything to provide about the possibility of a clone recipe, but Irish malts are available. I use them for my stout recipe.
 

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I don’t have anything to provide about the possibility of a clone recipe, but Irish malts are available. I use them for my stout recipe.
The "Irish-owned" thing is an important caveat - the dominant supplier is Minch Malt, owned by Boormalt since 2010. There's been a lot of controversy in recent years about the prices paid to Irish farmers and the extent to which Boortmalt are prepared to import malt and/or barley into Ireland, and malt Irish barley in eg Antwerp - the farmers realise that their best bet is to take the protest to St James Gate and try to embarrass Diageo over their whole "Irishness" branding. It may be one reason why there seem to be a couple of new independent maltsters popping up in Ireland in recent years, in a way that hasn't really happened in England (but who needs them when you have real craft like Warminster). But yep, historically Guinness used Irish malt.

The likes of THBC carry Minch malt.
 

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The "Irish-owned" thing is an important caveat - the dominant supplier is Minch Malt, owned by Boormalt since 2010. There's been a lot of controversy in recent years about the prices paid to Irish farmers and the extent to which Boortmalt are prepared to import malt and/or barley into Ireland, and malt Irish barley in eg Antwerp - the farmers realise that their best bet is to take the protest to St James Gate and try to embarrass Diageo over their whole "Irishness" branding. It may be one reason why there seem to be a couple of new independent maltsters popping up in Ireland in recent years, in a way that hasn't really happened in England (but who needs them when you have real craft like Warminster). But yep, historically Guinness used Irish malt.

The likes of THBC carry Minch malt.
So getting any Irish ingredient in Canada looks next to impossible, so I will attempt to build my recipe with local supply, and adjust my water to emulate St James water, then go from there.

Munich and UK two row are available here, so lets start with that. Any suggestions for a grain bill? Id like to have a base recipe built for a 10 gal, but 5 gal is fine as well.

:bigmug:
 

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My recipe creation skills aren’t quite there yet, but would love a recipe. I’d say a nice clean lager yeast would work well. HH13 is quite clean and the hop flavour and aroma isn’t too strong. I will be in the open gate brewery in the coming weeks, the staff are very knowledgable on the products so I’ll see can they provide any more info beyond what’s on the packaging
 
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