F^@%(&g kids!

[Evets]

I received an email from my internet provider stating that we have committed our third piracy offense, and that my service will be suspended for at least two weeks. Seems my adult daughters can't get it through their heads that it is illegal to use bit torrent to download movies. Three strikes and you're out. Well it looks like I'm out and I've never downloaded a movie in my life.
This SUCKS!!

 

[smokinop]

There are ways you can block your kids from particular websites using open DNS or port blocking on the router. If you are familiar with networking, not too hard to get the info off of the net. Otherwise, find a buddy or a buddy's kid who has the knowledge.

If the kids are using wifi, you can change the security key & then choose not to share it but make you also change your admin password to the router.

Hope all turns out well...

 

[Bernie Brewer]

This. Block the interwebbs from the little ingrates. Tell them if they wanna surf they have to go to the library.

 

[jtkratzer]

Take it like you would/will take the car keys. Cut off the data on the cell phones as well. That would get through their heads as their social networking lives will be out on hold.

 

[thepartsmancometh]

Crazy that the ISP would do that! I'd be ISP shopping just out of principal; they shouldn't be monitoring their customers.

Anyway, I'd be pissed at your daughters too. As mentioned above, I'd find a way to make sure they don't have access in the future

 

[SkyHighBrew88]

Who IS your ISP by the way??

 

[itsme6582]

It's not the ISP snooping you. Hollywood tracks illegal downloads. They get IP addresses from the downloads and then report to ISPs who is illegally downloading their movie. Once notified, the ISP is legally obligated to stop it from happening.

 

[thepartsmancometh]

It's not the ISP snooping you. Hollywood tracks illegal downloads. They get IP addresses from the downloads and then report to ISPs who is illegally downloading their movie. Once notified, the ISP is legally obligated to stop it from happening.

I'm going to drop this so as not to threadjack, but whichever way you slice it your privacy is being infringed on. Its not legal for a private company to snoop on people

 

[JeepDiver]

I'm going to drop this so as not to threadjack, but whichever way you slice it your privacy is being infringed on. Its not legal for a private company to snoop on people

The ISP sells you a service. That service comes with terms of service, which you probably didn't bother to read when you clicked the button that says you agreed. If you are to lazy to read what your rights are and you agree to let them step on your freedoms then you don't get to complain when they do. No ones rights were violated. You have no right to internet service and you agreed to moinitoring when you signed up.

 

[JeepDiver]

I'm going to drop this so as not to threadjack, but whichever way you slice it your privacy is being infringed on. Its not legal for a private company to snoop on people

Especially when you are complaining about your so called rights because you want to engage in illegal activity.

Sorry to the OP for the derail, but people who think they have a RIGHT to any and everything when they have no clue what they really have a RIGHT to and how to protect those rights really irks me

 

[Evets]

I'm not blaming my ISP or even Hollywood. Rules are rules. I get that. I'm surprised they gave me three chances. Three violations spread out over several years between two kids. I'm sure the oldest(first 2 violations) gets it now, and hopefully the youngest will get it now too. Maybe I'll just go back to dial-up where it's too slow to steal movies. For now, I get to remember what life was like before the internet. Maybe it's a good thing, but I doubt it.

 

[Gear101]

My step daughter did the same thing to me, the first letter stated that they could seek damages for 250 millon, the second time I got a phone call. I agree with you, it is not the ISP or the moive companies, it was my step daughter not going to red box and gettinng the movie.

 

[JonM]

So has the internet suspension helped get the message through to their brains?

 

[Evets]

I'm sure the oldest is complying. We'll see about the youngest. We haven't decided what to do yet. The suspension doesn't start til Tuesday. In the meantime, I have to write a letter explaining what measures have been taken to remove the illegal files and ensure against repeat violations. At this point the ISP can grant or decline a pardon. According to the ISP, this process can take up to two weeks. So, I guess I'm out service for at least those two weeks.

 

[ahaley]

If the youngest I old enough to pirate he/ she is old enough to get hit for doing something that illegal. I'm not talking beat them, but hit so they remember, kids are like dogs, imo, When I was a kid my dad hit me once really hard and I learned not to do it again lol
Good luck! You'll look primitive, no Internet, no Facebook, your facial hair will grow out of control, and most of all, your car will turn to a flintstone looking one lol

 

[jtkratzer]

Crazy that the ISP would do that! I'd be ISP shopping just out of principal; they shouldn't be monitoring their customers.

Anyway, I'd be pissed at your daughters too. As mentioned above, I'd find a way to make sure they don't have access in the future

Every single ISP does this. Read your service agreement and terms and conditions. How do you think people get caught for trafficking kiddie porn? Or content that gets you looked at for Patriot Act stuff.

 

[thedingo]

If the youngest I old enough to pirate he/ she is old enough to get hit for doing something that illegal. I'm not talking beat them, but hit so they remember, kids are like dogs, imo, When I was a kid my dad hit me once really hard and I learned not to do it again lol
Good luck! You'll look primitive, no Internet, no Facebook, your facial hair will grow out of control, and most of all, your car will turn to a flintstone looking one lol

Yeh nice advice moron.
The only one primitive here is yourself if you think hitting children will teach them a lesson. Maybe your dad hit you a bit too hard?

 

[Evets]

She's 20. Sure, she's had a few spankings when she was growing up. What kid doesn't? I wouldn't consider hitting her now though, any more than I'd tolerate anyone else hitting her. Besides, she'd probably just hit me back! She's been a tough one and I've had to pay for more than one of her mistakes already, but she's my kid. I love her. She's starting to come around now, and we'll get through this too.

 

[jtkratzer]

Yeh nice advice moron.
The only one primitive here is yourself if you think hitting children will teach them a lesson. Maybe your dad hit you a bit too hard?

Nothing wrong with a smack here and there. My dad put me in my place once and slammed me against a wall. I 100% deserved it and was out of line. I thought my parents were idiots growing up and it didn't take long after growing up o realize they were right at least 99% of the time and I'll always be grateful they raised me right. There's certainly a difference between abuse and punishment/discipline though.

 

[klnosaj]

If the youngest I old enough to pirate he/ she is old enough to get hit for doing something that illegal.

Nothing wrong with a smack here and there. My dad put me in my place once and slammed me against a wall.

Because if there's one thing we've learned it's that violence solves problems.

 

[jtkratzer]

Because if there's one thing we've learned it's that violence solves problems.

You have to be kidding. Calling discipline "violence" is why our society is weak and going down the tubes. You never saw kids shooting up schools years ago. I saw the difference between my family and my two cousins who had parents who never laid a hand on them. They were the worst kids, most disrespectful, and idiotic. Neither has ever held a job.

More than one way to skin a cat, but no discipline isn't the right way to raise your children.

 

[barneygumble]

Although I agree that good discipline is necessary to raise a kid, the OP's daughters are adults now, and its a bit late for a spanking. I'd take all screen access away from everyone until the suspension is lifted and make the guilty daughter write a letter of apology to the ISP along with my own. No facebook. No texting. No phone. No twitter. No TV. No nuthin. And No spending time at friends house where they could cheat. Nope. Friends come to your house and get their electronics lifted on the way in the door.

 

[jtkratzer]

Although I agree that good discipline is necessary to raise a kid, the OP's daughters are adults now, and its a bit late for a spanking. I'd take all screen access away from everyone until the suspension is lifted and make the guilty daughter write a letter of apology to the ISP along with my own. No facebook. No texting. No phone. No twitter. No TV. No nuthin. And No spending time at friends house where they could cheat. Nope. Friends come to your house and get their electronics lifted on the way in the door.

Agreed. That foundation is something that can't be established as an adult and at some point that type of discipline becomes ineffective.

 

[ChshreCat]

You can have discipline without beating your kids. It's narrow minded to think that's the only way to do it. If a kid is disrespectful and idiotic there's more that went wrong with their upbringing than a lack of regular beatings.

On topic... teach the kids to pirate the right way and they won't be getting caught.

 

[jtkratzer]

You can have discipline without beating your kids. It's narrow minded to think that's the only way to do it. If a kid is disrespectful and idiotic there's more that went wrong with their upbringing than a lack of regular beatings.

On topic... teach the kids to pirate the right way and they won't be getting caught.

And there is a drastic, night and day difference between discipline/punishment and beatings. I'm sorry your feelings were hurt.

 

[ChshreCat]

And there is a drastic, night and day difference between discipline/punishment and beatings. I'm sorry your feelings were hurt.

My feelings weren't hurt. Did I hit a nerve with you, perhaps? I think that line is a hell of a lot finer than you think it is. Maybe you 're afraid you crossed it more than you admit?

 

[Brewing Clamper]

She's 20...

Ok, I'll spank her...

Seriously, you pretty much have to download gigs & gigs of stuff for them to notice, so they were probably downloading tons of movies. That'll get you flagged quickly. Just give the ISP whatever boot licking they want to get your service back and be done with it. I won't tell you how to deal with your kids...

 

[jtkratzer]

My feelings weren't hurt. Did I hit a nerve with you, perhaps? I think that line is a hell of a lot finer than you think it is. Maybe you 're afraid you crossed it more than you admit?

No you didn't strike a nerve. It's pathetic to me that the majority of our society's children sent disciplined and you see the results. We have parents too wrapped up in their own lives to take the time to raise their children right and teach them to be respectful and how to act. I get tired of seeing kids completely disrespect their parents and adults in general. I'm tired of seeing these snot nosed kids throw fits when they don't get what they want. I'm tire of seeing parents not yeah their kids to have any kind I work ethic or discipline at all.

You are way out of line. I have a 2 year old who isn't even old enough to really understand how punishment of practically any kind works. Spanking is a last means to get their attention when they don't respond to anything else. How dare you accuse me of abusing my child.

I'm done with this. My apologies for my part in derailing this thread.

 

[ChshreCat]

No you didn't strike a nerve. It's pathetic to me that the majority of our society's children sent disciplined and you see the results. We have parents too wrapped up in their own lives to take the time to raise their children right and teach them to be respectful and how to act. I get tired of seeing kids completely disrespect their parents and adults in general. I'm tired of seeing these snot nosed kids throw fits when they don't get what they want. I'm tire of seeing parents not yeah their kids to have any kind I work ethic or discipline at all.

And hitting them is the only way to avoid this?

You can raise your kids to be good, respectful people without hitting them. That's not the only option.

 

[barneygumble]

But as Clamper said, spanking adult wimminz can be a different matter entirely. I am willing to lend my services out for such a venture.

 

[dfc]

Yeh nice advice moron.
The only one primitive here is yourself if you think hitting children will teach them a lesson. Maybe your dad hit you a bit too hard?

A punch is different than getting spanked.

 

[kapbrew13]

Every single ISP does this. Read your service agreement and terms and conditions. How do you think people get caught for trafficking kiddie porn? Or content that gets you looked at for Patriot Act stuff.

they suck!! (ISP) Why don't they just prevent traffic to these sites?

 

[dfc]

No you didn't strike a nerve. It's pathetic to me that the majority of our society's children sent disciplined and you see the results. We have parents too wrapped up in their own lives to take the time to raise their children right and teach them to be respectful and how to act. I get tired of seeing kids completely disrespect their parents and adults in general. I'm tired of seeing these snot nosed kids throw fits when they don't get what they want. I'm tire of seeing parents not yeah their kids to have any kind I work ethic or discipline at all.

You are way out of line. I have a 2 year old who isn't even old enough to really understand how punishment of practically any kind works. Spanking is a last means to get their attention when they don't respond to anything else. How dare you accuse me of abusing my child.

I'm done with this. My apologies for my part in derailing this thread.

I wholeheartedly agree. I teach at a post secondary school and the lack of discipline that most of our young students have is ridiculous. It's called the entitlement generation for a reason. When you get a trophy for last place in tee ball that doesn't help to set you up for real life.

 

[Golddiggie]

Here's a thought...

1. Take away her internet rights while at home. If she has a laptop, block it's MAC address on your router from going online, at all (block the wireless and wired addresses). If it's a desktop, remove the NIC, or block those MAC addresses too.

2. Have her get her own internet service into her room. Have her pay for it completely. Then when she gets the notice about being shut off for being a clueless pirate, it doesn't impact you. I would still do #1 to make sure she doesn't piggy-back onto your internet service when that happens.

3. Kick her out... At 20, unless she's going to college close to where you are, and lives at home for that, it's time for her to leave the nest.

I don't have any kids of my own, but saw how my sister and brother-in-law raised my niece and nephew. They caved on so many things when the kids were young that it was disgusting. Things that our parents would never have allowed us to do, were allowed. Or, my sister would discipline the kids, only to have my brother-in-law negate it. Right there at the dinner table too, so the kids knew that if they didn't like what mommy said, daddy would probably remove that punishment. NOT a good thing to do IMO. You need to be of the same mind when disciplining your children. If one parent gives a punishment, the other should not negate it. It gives very bad signals to the children if you do.

As for punishments... My father only hit me once... Once... I really deserved it, and I never did anything bad enough after that to warrant it again. He hit me just one time, but that was enough. Today, if a parent does that, the state gets involved... It's NOT abuse if the kid does something that no other action will convince them how BAD that action was. Also, when growing up, if one of my parents gave a punishment, the other didn't reverse it. At best, I could plead to get the time frame reduced. But it was up to the parent that gave the punishment in the first place.

IMO, kids today have no clue as to what it was like growing up without all the technology we have. They think they're entitled to it, along with tons of other things, that we didn't have growing up. As adults we have to work to keep what we have, and/or get better things. So many kids don't understand that, or simply don't care. Disgusting...

 

[dfc]

they suck!! (ISP) Why don't they just prevent traffic to these sites?

It's illegal and for good reason. We don't need our government controlling what we're allowed to do or see online. As a matter of fact myself as well as several other people just got a few bills dropped from the Senate and the House that would have done just that.

I encourage you to not voluntarily give up your freedoms.

 

[ChshreCat]

It's illegal and for good reason. We don't need our government controlling what we're allowed to do or see online. As a matter of fact myself as well as several other people just got a few bills dropped from the Senate and the House that would have done just that.

I encourage you to not voluntarily give up your freedoms.

Agreed wholeheartedly. If you choose to let them block things, then soon it's things that are unamerican. Then things they find aren't christian.

 

[SharonaZamboni]

You'll have to block or password Internet access forever. The kids are now adults and will have to pay for their own internet service. I'd probably impose my own personal fine on them, too. It would really fry my a$$ to be denied Internet service!!

 

[copyright1997]

OP, it's easy for us to make suggestions about your kids.

If I lost my internet service because my child was pirating movies via bitorrent (and didn't have enough sense to figure out how the movie industry catches bittorrent thief's , I'd be pretty pissed. Pissed enough that she/he wouldn't have any internet access in the house and pissed enough that I wouldn't be paying for her phone or any other electronic devices. (At 20, you shouldn't be paying for it anyway.)

Now, we'll see how well I do with my own child (now 9 years old)!

 

[ahaley]

Yeh nice advice moron.
The only one primitive here is yourself if you think hitting children will teach them a lesson. Maybe your dad hit you a bit too hard?

Ooh touchy subject I see, and no, I'm thinking he didn't hit me hard enough for some of the bad things I did. I clearly stated I'm not talking about beating them, but a smack or spanking, I didn't know the youngest was 20 an that wasnt an option now.
I was never abused in any way, and I'm not going to abuse my daughter either. But I feel that discipline is a must for a relationship to work. You may not, and many people now, may not agree with me, but I think for a parent, child relationship, you must have, communication, mutual trust, mutual respect, both must have discipline, love, and being able to compromise when needed helps too.

I've seen kids where they have no form of discipline, no spankings, no groundings, items being confiscated, sent to their room, anything. They stole from their parents, then asked for money immediately after. This kids are rotten to the core, and they needed discipline to show them the guidelines to walk along.

Thales what discipline is to me, it helps guide them, and show them how to do good. There is some leeway to go left or right a little, but no u turns. Just my opinion if my thoughts really offended some people, sorry, it is what it is, and that's just an opinion of a guy.
Hope everything gets sorted out OP! Viel Glück!

 

[Cromwell]

Wow. You all scare me. Seriously scare me. Anyone who thinks hitting a 20 year old kid is the right way to teach her the difference between right and wrong is seriously messed up.