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Just a general observation but apparently there's a lot of equipment being offered for sale around DFW. I see it listed here, FB Marketplace, Craigslist; generally around. Just feels like many are giving up the hobby and moving on.

I wonder if that's because of the lack of local suppliers here or not? Or did the suppliers shut down because the local market tanked?

From my perspective, ordering in is a pain in the ass but it also sucks to have to drive over to Fort Worth. There's no convenient time of the day to do that.
 

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I can't speak of the area but I wonder sometimes if some people thought they could "buy" good home brew. When you read some of the advertising spiels, they make it sound like "buy this and you will make world class beer at home". Most of us know that it's not that easy, if I thought that spending more money would instantly make my beer better I would, to a point.
It's like buying a set "PING" golf whackers, they wouldn't help my game in the least but damn, they look good in the cart. I don't have time for lessons or practice. Then that day comes and you whack a whole case of balls in the rough. Your friends laugh at you. You've had it, enough you say, the clubs are up fore sale.
Maybe the same for beer making. I got all this stuff, my beer is mediocre at best, My friends don't like it, I just as well buy it as make it. I don't have/want the time to spend to make it better. All the shiney is up for sale.
I might be way off, I might be close, we'll probably never really know for sure.
Just me doing some ramblings.
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I've heard the AHA revenue from members is way down, but I don't have solid numbers on that. Most homebrew shops I used to go to are closed down, maybe the online shops are doing ok, who knows? Homebrewing has been on the decline for years, hit an uptick with COVID and is probably going to spiral down some more....
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Homebrewing is a hobby that's easy to get into, but getting good at it takes practice. (Which is the sign of a good hobby, IMO) I'm betting many discovered that the first beer or two wasn't so good, and they set the gear aside. Too high of expectations. Lots of ads selling boxes full of beginner gear on CL, and plenty of unused recipe kits that are who knows how old.

Probably some others for whom life got in the way--family, back to jobs, etc. Brewing is hard to do if you don't have the time commitment. Many of those postings start out with something like "I'm not using this stuff anymore, and want it gone."

I do see some advanced gear for sale, but it seems like sellers want to recoup close to purchase price for used, and those ads keep popping up for a long time. It tells me their stuff isn't selling.

Yeah, I'm always surfing CL, even though I have about all the gear I need. But if I run into the right deal for something I could use an extra of...
 

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buying grain by the pound, hops by the ounce, not reusing yeast.. it's expensive. and the equipment upgrade bug can bite hard. and brewing marginal beer can take it's toll on a person.
 

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I can't speak of the area but I wonder sometimes if some people thought they could "buy" good home brew. When you read some of the advertising spiels, they make it sound like "buy this and you will make world class beer at home". Most of us know that it's not that easy, if I thought that spending more money would instantly make my beer better I would, to a point.
It's like buying a set "PING" golf whackers, they wouldn't help my game in the least but damn, they look good in the cart. I don't have time for lessons or practice. Then that day comes and you whack a whole case of balls in the rough. Your friends laugh at you. You've had it, enough you say, the clubs are up fore sale.
Maybe the same for beer making. I got all this stuff, my beer is mediocre at best, My friends don't like it, I just as well buy it as make it. I don't have/want the time to spend to make it better. All the shiney is up for sale.
I might be way off, I might be close, we'll probably never really know for sure.
Just me doing some ramblings.
Cheers, :mug:
Joel B.

This is the perfect explanation, very well said!
 

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Plenty of reasons for this. Homebrewing has been a declining hobby for the past four or five years after its peak around 2015-2017. Homebrewing follows craft beer trends and there aren't as many people getting into craft beer with the rise of seltzers and other alcohol categories growing more. People slide out as their interest fades into other things.

Also the beers most hyped are not the easiest to brew well at home as a novice--particularly hazy IPAs and adjunct heavy, double digit ABV stouts--so people who thought they wanted to try brewing are going to find out maybe not. DFW is also getting more of the popular styles around so people who brewed to drink what they wanted have less incentive to brew when they can pick up a four pack of beer they want instead of spending half a day brewing.

The wave of lower cost all-in-one brewers is going to move people who still homebrew to dump their older setups in favor of new gear because gear acquisition is always a thing in this hobby. In a few years you'll see the same places awash in grainfathers, foundries, etc. too.
 

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A number of home brew supply stores in the area have closed their doors, for good. One has remained open as an online retail store only.
With multiple Total Wine stores in the area, it is so easy to buy what you want, and drink what you like.
Even kegs of German Pilsner, that are pretty fresh. Or a keg of Guinness. Easy to get. Cheaper than brewing it yourself.

But we still brew. Why? Because we like to!
 

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Just a dumb question but are there any dry areas in Texas any more? Last time I was in Tx there were places where you could get beer at a steak house maybe but couldn't buy a six pack or a bottle of booze. That was a long time ago though.
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Just a dumb question but are there any dry areas in Texas any more? Last time I was in Tx there were places where you could get beer at a steak house maybe but couldn't buy a six pack or a bottle of booze. That was a long time ago though.
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Its kind of a relative question because we have "wet", "dry", and "modified dry" and it can go all the way down to the precinct level on what can be sold (beer and wine vs hard liquor for off premise consumption vs sale of mixed beverage on-premise allowed). We have some pretty archaic alcohol laws here....

The short answer is "Yes". We do still have dry areas around Texas, especially in some of the more rural areas wherw voters haven't made a push to allow the legal sale of alcohol. That's not to say that people in those areas don't drink though; they just buy it somewhere and bring it home.
 

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@easttex Thanks for the reply. We once stayed at a hotel with a big name national chain restaurant across the parking lot. Couldn't sit in the "bar" to just have a drink in it, but could get a beer/drink with a sandwich/meal order. Quickie marts didn't sell any beer either. Had to go a few miles up the road to a liquor store to get a box of beer/booze for in the room. It was a "very busy" store. (LOL).
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I do see some advanced gear for sale, but it seems like sellers want to recoup close to purchase price for used, and those ads keep popping up for a long time. It tells me their stuff isn't selling.
That's like the guys who will spend $60K building a hot rod or race car then expect to get as much or more when they sell it.
If the enjoyment you expect to get isn't enough to justify the spend it probably should be reconsidered.
When you come to the realization that you aren't interested anymore sometimes it is easier to just give it to someone who is.
 

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Its kind of a relative question because we have "wet", "dry", and "modified dry" and it can go all the way down to the precinct level on what can be sold (beer and wine vs hard liquor for off premise consumption vs sale of mixed beverage on-premise allowed). We have some pretty archaic alcohol laws here....
Kind'a like when I was assigned to Salt Lake City for 10 mos.
You could buy beer by the growler at a brewery. You could buy packaged liquor at a "State" store.
If you wanted to drink in a "bar-like" environment you had to join a club, usually ~$10 for a year.
But there were no standard liquor stores.

I don't know what their Home Brew laws were.
 
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That's like the guys who will spend $60K building a hot rod or race car then expect to get as much or more when they sell it.
If the enjoyment you expect to get isn't enough to justify the spend it probably should be reconsidered.
When you come to the realization that you aren't interested anymore sometimes it is easier to just give it to someone who is.
The natural evolution is to ask for what you think you'll get. Then settle with yourself to take less than you think it's worth. Then cut the price to nothing to get rid of it. Then pay someone to haul it away. (Then hear acquaintances complain "If they'd only known sooner!)

Just like the ferm chamber I'm about to push over to the dumpster.
 
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The analogy with golf is fully appropriate. I love golf, but I suck at it. Maybe if I went out more than once every couple of years, but all of my golfing buddies are aging, sick, or too busy. A new set of clubs isn't going to help me at all. Lessons from Tiger Woods probably wouldn't make a difference, either.

On the other hand, I love to make beer. And I don't need to wait for someone else in order to put a brewday together. Is my beer as good as pro beer? Some of the styles, yes, after 4 years of brewing something or other at least once per month and reading a gajillion books, magazines, and the collected wisdom of the folks here. I daydream about recipes. I can't drink fast enough in order to make more because I love the process. People request some of my beers regularly, which is...surprising, because I'd make it anyway.

My dad's a car guy. I love his finished products, but I'm not the guy that listens to a motor or the car rolling down the street and know exactly what is wrong with it; he is.

Everyone's got their passion project, I suppose, and there is a lot of amazing equipment up for sale all over from people that invested heavily in a hobby that isn't their baby. Aren't all hobbies like that?
 

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It is a shame the LHBSs have been closing. I do not know which is the chicken or egg. Texas Brewing told me they are focusing on commercial accounts and only have one guy manning the store, so they can no longer fill grain recipes. Only individual grain orders in no less than 1lb increments. I had made TX Brewing my only shop for pretty many years and liked their products but I have some recipes that have under 1lb increments. ? Brewhound has a decent selection of grain but not all the brands I like. So I will bounce back and forth. Hopefully TX Brewing can return to full staff one day.

Or maybe the hobby is in a steeper decline than we know. I would buy sacks of grain but they are high priced as well.
 
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