# Crystal 60 = Caramunich II or III ?

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#### Piotr

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I substitute all crystal malts with Weyermann products, because only them I can get in my LHBS.

When I recalculate the colors I see that:

Caramunich I has 40-50 Lovibond (they dont give exact number, only range)
Caramunich II has 56-66 Lovibond
Caramunich III has 71-81 Lovibond

So in my opinion proper substitution will be:

Crystal 40 = Caramunich I
Crystal 60 = Caramunich II
Crystal 80 = Caramunich III

BUT, when I look at substitution chart:
KotMF: Malt Name Comparison Chart
they propose:

Crystal 40 = Caramunich II
Crystal 60 = Caramunich III
Crystal 80 - no sub

WTF?

#### Professor Frink

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I think I've often used Caramunich I in the stead of Crystal 40. There is some redundancy among the grains though.

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#### Piotr

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I think I can see where the problem is. In product specs :
http://www.browamator.pl/zdjecia/3/9/9/7198_Weyermann_Caramunich_III.pdf

Werermann incorrectly recalculates EBC to Lovibond
For instance, there is 160 EBC = 60.5 Lovibond
I think they use old formula, for old EBC norm, before 1991. Now the formula is:
SRM = EBC * 0.508 (SRM =~Lovibond)
wchich means, 160 EBC = 81 Lov, not 60.5
source:
Standard Reference Method - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think I will have to email Weyermann asking for explanation ....

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