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MajorJC

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Cleaning out my garage and I found a couple of whole grain beer kits that I ordered from AIH several years ago. I had stored them in closed buckets and apparently I forgot about them. I went back to the AIH website to see exactly when they were ordered but I had to re-register my account. Of course, my old order history was gone. The only dates that I can find in the kits are the expiration dates on the yeast packets, which are both 2/21.

Will I be wasting my time by brewing with these kits? How do Hops hold up over time?

Also, they sent me an Ale yeast for a Lager recipe, wouldn't this make a completely different beer?

I'm thinking, order fresh yeast packets to have on hand and try making starters with the expired yeast to check viability.

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I just noticed the 2017 date on the buckets for Sutherlands 100th anniversary. I bought the buckets the day the kits arrived to store them in, so I guess it was 2017.
Smell the grains as well if they smell good, beer will be good as well.
 
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The hops might have suffered A little bit to severely.
I just looked at the hops packets. All but one of the Saaz packets are still vacuum sealed. One of them must have a pinhole in the packet.

I'll get some replacement hops to have on hand for my next brew day also.
 

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Can't tell if that is just rice hulls I'm looking at in the grain or if the grain just isn't milled very well. Sticker says "Milled".

I might run it through a mill again and get it finer. I use a very old coffee grinder with a burr type grinder and not the bladed type coffee grinder. Though those might work too.
 

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Can't tell if that is just rice hulls I'm looking at in the grain or if the grain just isn't milled very well. Sticker says "Milled".

I might run it through a mill again and get it finer. I use a very old coffee grinder with a burr type grinder and not the bladed type coffee grinder. Though those might work too.
I zoomed in and the grain looks barely crushed.
 

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I had grains crushed by AIH in 2020, you can see the thread here. Is this grain milled?

They looked very similar to @MajorJC grain.

The response that I received back when I inquired about the crush was...
("The grains to appear to be crushed as we would currently be shipping them. If you remove a kernel that appears uncracked. Roll this kernel around between your fingers and notice it will fall apart. The reason this grain falls apart is that the integrity of the husk was compromised during the milling process and the structure of the grain is not very stable. This is the same crush we try to provide with every batch of beer.")
 

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I would not invest the time and effort on 5 year old ingredients. Especially the hops and yeast.
Feed the grain to the birdies and ground varmints, toss the yeast and hops in the trash, save the rice hulls if there are any, and buy fresh ingredients...

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A garage in Mississippi has to be pretty scorching hot in the summer, yes?? If so, that can't help the cause. It's one thing if everything had been in a cool, dry basement ... but a garage in MS? I think I'm with @tracer bullet in saying I wouldn't.
 
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A garage in Mississippi has to be pretty scorching hot in the summer, yes??

Yep, It get hella hot in the garage in the summer.

I originally had these two buckets in a large chest freezer for several years, but now I'm remembering needing to make room to freeze some honey supers either last summer or the summer before so I took these buckets out of the freezer. I did a search in my gmail and found out that I received these kits around October 25, 2018, so about 3 ½ years old with at least two years of that time in the deep freeze.

I'm thinking I'll go ahead and plan on using these grains in a brew, but with fresh hops and yeast.

I've just ordered some fresh grains, hops, and yeast. On my next brew day I'll open these grains up and give them the old sniff and taste test to decide if I want to try a brew with them. If not, I'll have some fresh ingredients on hand.
 
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So, if these grains smell/taste ok....

I'm thinking of combining the two grain bills into one. I plugged them into brewersfriend.com and came up with this recipe:

(let me know if you see any problems or improvements)

Using up old grain! | Specialty IPA: Red IPA All Grain Beer Recipe | Brewer's Friend

HOME BREW RECIPE:
Title: Using up old grain!

Brew Method: All Grain
Style Name: Specialty IPA: Red IPA
Boil Time: 60 min
Batch Size: 10 gallons (fermentor volume)
Boil Size: 12.59 gallons
Boil Gravity: 1.050
Efficiency: 80% (brew house)

Hop Utilization Multiplier: 1

STATS:
Original Gravity: 1.057
Final Gravity: 1.010
ABV (standard): 6.17%
IBU (tinseth): 60.85
SRM (daniels): 16.88
Mash pH: 5

FERMENTABLES:
8.5 lb - German Pilsener Malt (41.1%)
10.5 lb - Pale 2-Row - Toasted (50.8%)
8 oz - CaraFoam (2.4%)
8 oz - Caramel / Crystal 10L (2.4%)
8 oz - Caramel / Crystal 40L (2.4%)
3 oz - Chocolate Malt (0.9%)

HOPS:
2 oz - Magnum, Type: Pellet, AA: 15, Use: Boil for 60 min, IBU: 57.06
0.5 oz - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 11, Use: Aroma for 10 min, IBU: 3.79

MASH GUIDELINES:
1) Fly Sparge, Temp: 152 F, Time: 60 min, Amount: 7.76 gal
Starting Mash Thickness: 1.5 qt/lb

YEAST:
Fermentis / Safale - American Ale Yeast US-05
Starter: No
Form: Dry
Attenuation (avg): 81%
Flocculation: Medium
Optimum Temp: 54 - 77 F
Fermentation Temp: 64 F
Pitch Rate: 0.35 (M cells / ml / deg P)

PRIMING:
CO2 Level: 2.25 Volumes

TARGET WATER PROFILE:
Profile Name: 42039
Ca2: 4
Mg2: 2
Na: 8
Cl: 18
SO4: 5
HCO3: 8
Water Notes:


Generated by Brewer's Friend - Brewer's Friend | Homebrew Beer Recipes, Calculators & Forum
Date: 2022-07-01 04:48 UTC
Recipe Last Updated: 2022-07-01 04:46 UTC
 
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