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Strecker25

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Looking for updated opinions and experience on a BK screen for the dip tube. I have an electric setup that uses the older style blichmann 15G boilermaker kettles. I have the hop stopper 1.0, but I've never been thrilled with it because I leave anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 gallon of wort in the bottom of the kettle once the pump starts sucking air. There was a hop stopper 2.0 version apparently released that improved it, but they're out of business now

I don't love the idea of the blichman hop strainer as it needs a whirlpool and I don't currently have a whirlpool fitting. I also assume the heating element impedes the whirlpool effect. I use a counterflow chiller, so pulling unfiltered break and hops through will plug it on bigger beers

Anyone found an effective screen or filter that doesn't leave a ton of wasted wort behind?
 
Maybe you can modify your hop stopper to dip lower, reducing the amount of wort left behind?

Not a bad idea, the dip tube has a cutout on either side so I could flatten it to get closer. I feel like it may be collapsing and sucking air from the top, though. Google turns up lots of old posts of people frustrated with the original design

I did a test after today’s brew - filled the BK with water and mixed up the hop and cold break sludge. Then I put the original dip tube in and emptied the kettle slow - it basically pulled a shot glass of trub then clear water.

I may just go back to unfiltered and deal with a little junk in the fermenter
 
Wow, didn't know they went out of business. My cousin has one and loves it. I know you don't have a whirlpool port, but have you tried stirring and just letting the wert settle? There's also those little dams that mount on the dip tube. Here's one from Brew Hardware. Think it would work?

Clip On Trub Dam

Interesting! That might make my post above even better, just keeping the bulk of trub away from the tube
 
Maybe you can modify your hop stopper to dip lower, reducing the amount of wort left behind?
Good idea, but the hop stopper is a disk that is designed to sit flat on the bottom of the kettle. You can't get much lower than the Hop Stopper. ;)

Strecker, you mentioned using a pump? As a fellow Hop Stopper user (albeit 2.0) you really can't use a pump with the Hop Stopper, the key to its success, at least in my experience, is a slow gravity transfer. I budget 20-30mins to rack ~7gal out of the kettle and into the fermenter via gravity feed with my Hop Stopper 2.0. It does a great job, but it doesn't like being hurried. It also appreciates a bit of leaf hops if you can swing it, but that's getting harder and harder to pull off these days.

I've also found that it doesn't like it when I turn off my whirlpool and allow things to settle for 20mins prior to the transfer, but that's not a concern for you.

Personally, I think you're going to have to start thinking about a whirlpool rig. It's easy to drill into your kettle and install a fitting. If that gives you the willies, there's plenty of hang over the kettle options available these days. I wouldn't worry about your electric element, though. Lots of folks are using whirlpool rigs on electric kettles. You'll be fine. More to the point, I'm a knuckle dragger that insists upon using an IM chiller--it works really good, okay?!--and my whirlpool rig still manages to set a pretty defined trub cone despite that huge wall of tightly wound copper.

I persist in using the IM because I can very quickly chill and use the Hop Stopper.

I hope you found this useful.
 
If you don't want to drill into your kettle, there's always those over the top of the kettle options like Bramling Cross mentioned. Here's an option from, again, Brew Hardware

Spincycle Overboard

I'm not affiliated with Brew Hardware, just a happy customer.
 
I feel like it may be collapsing and sucking air from the top, though.
I doubt that. The Hop Stopper is designed to block stuff on the top and suck from the huge bottom disk...and that's where you run into problems. If that bottom disk starts to clog, you're good and hosed. I actually think my IM helps in that respect because it smashes the Hop Stopper down against the bottom of the kettle. I've often considered weighting the top of the cone to smash it further against the bottom of the kettle.
 
Lots of good info, thanks guys. Certainly not opposed to putting another hole in the kettle if that’s the best answer. I put many into the brand new (very expensive) blichmanns about 10 years ago when I built the whole system. Too bad I dumped the also very expensive greenlee punches back then too

Answering the pump question - yes, I run a pair of OG chugger pumps as it’s a herms system and I use a CFC
 
fwiw, I've achieved good results with a false bottom (for whole hops) or whirlpooling (pellets), aided by a simple hop dam aka trub guard. Never clogged my counterflow chiller. I pump during whirlpooling, of course, including through the CFC, but rely on gravity for final chill-to-fermenter.

The clamp-on whirlpool arm works well for me, and costs less than a Greenlee punch.
 
Because I have a bunch of ripped up axons, I don't ususally do long detailed post. (too large a data-set :p ) I was preparing this for another thread, but this seems a more appropriate place for it;
First, let me get this off my chest; The de-facto 300-mesh filter:
When I was a kid in the 70’s in my dads shop, we had 300 mesh bazooka screens in the varsol parts-washer, the kerosene tank, the used oil & tranny-fluid reservoir, various steam/pressure washing rigs… It was just a standard filter you could buy at any hardware store. Later in life I found the same filter in various food. chemical and other industries. I suspect that earlier home brewers adopted it because it was readily available and for the most part it ‘worked’ and so the first suppliers of homebrew gear simply stuck with it. I personally don’t like it. I feel they are too coarse and have too little surface area, though on the other hand while they let a lot of hop particles through, it’s nothing the de-facto pumps can’t handle and though they may slow under a heavy load, they rarely (but sometimes) plug. Plate chillers, while the most efficient (as long as you didn’t get a small one) are something you want to keep an abundance of particulate matter out of. Even a CFC can plug with too much ‘mud’. Those of us who use either are often inclined to use a kettle filter, be it a bazooka, a HopStopper or one of those wrap-around springs. Like a minority on here, I chose, dictated by circumstance, to make my own kettle filter. I started on the stove top, lifting a bare pot and pouring trough a sieve on a funnel, but owing to disability I had to move on. For me, an indoor electric rig was the clear path to take but; on a super tight budget. I chose to build a keggle based system and my ‘new-brewer’ naiveté didn’t fully consider the deep concave bottom which dictated my diptube draw from the very centre. There’s no way to do this without a kettle filter if you use an external flow-through chiller. Since 300 mesh let too much matter through for my liking, I went with 420-mesh and dramatically increased the surface area and shaped it such that the underside would never lay flat on the keggle and even when the top is buried in trub there would still be flow underneath. I also used a SS wire ‘frame’ inside it to prevent it from collapsing under the weight. Very simple design of mesh sewn with 304SS thread:
kegglefilter.jpeg

Anyway… I still have ergonomic issues with my rig and have long been planning my next rig, a BIAB system. I have no experience with flat-bottomed kettle that include fittings and such, so I’m experiencing uncertainty regarding kettle filtration. I should probably add here, that since my main goal was to not plug my chiller and my secondary goal was less trub in the fermenter; I also had positioned my pump with the inlet just under the bottom of the keggle and above the CFC, added a thermometer to the output followed by a 3-way valve that fed either the recirculation port or the output to FV and used one of those big Tri-Clamp inline filters, post chiller:

With 58° groundwater and an approx 33’ CFC, if not whirl pooling hops, I can drop from boiling to pitching temp with my cold-water valve only 1/3 open and my kettle and pump valves open all the way. My ‘pillow-filter’ has no problem keeping up.

But finally to the point: I'm questioning wether I actually need a filter in my kettle. My next rig is based mainly on @Bobby_M 's BIAB package (https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/biabpackagepremium.htm ..which I would buy rather than build, but I'm dirt-poor and in Canada) I've intentionally tagged Bobby because I've read his many many posts on here and have the deepest respect for his scientifically and empirically solid designs and I can't help to have noticed he seems to have a dislike of such filters but still many satisfied award-winning users of his rigs.
I have a couple rolls of 400-mesh SS, some firm SS wire for a shape-sustaining frame, and some 304SS-thread to make my next filter, but I'm wondering if I should bother? Do we actually need filters in flat bottomed kettles?
:mug:
 
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Because I have a bunch of ripped up axons, I don't ususally do long detailed post. (too large a data-set :p ) I was preparing this for another thread, but this seems a more appropriate place for it;
First, let me get this off my chest; The de-facto 300-mesh filter:
When I was a kid in the 70’s in my dads shop, we had 300 mesh bazooka screens in the varsol parts-washer, the kerosene tank, the used oil & tranny-fluid reservoir, various steam/pressure washing rigs… It was just a standard filter you could buy at any hardware store. Later in life I found the same filter in various food. chemical and other industries. I suspect that earlier home brewers adopted it because it was readily available and for the most part it ‘worked’ and so the first suppliers of homebrew gear simply stuck with it. I personally don’t like it. I feel they are too coarse and have too little surface area, though on the other hand while they let a lot of hop particles through, it’s nothing the de-facto pumps can’t handle and though they may slow under a heavy load, they rarely (but sometimes) plug. Plate chillers, while the most efficient (as long as you didn’t get a small one) are something you want to keep an abundance of particulate matter out of. Even a CFC can plug with too much ‘mud’. Those of us who use either are often inclined to use a kettle filter, be it a bazooka, a HopStopper or one of those wrap-around springs. Like a minority on here, I chose, dictated by circumstance, to make my own kettle filter. I started on the stove top, lifting a bare pot and pouring trough a sieve on a funnel, but owing to disability I had to move on. For me, an indoor electric rig was the clear path to take but; on a super tight budget. I chose to build a keggle based system and my ‘new-brewer’ naiveté didn’t fully consider the deep concave bottom which dictated my diptube draw from the very centre. There’s no way to do this without a kettle filter if you use an external flow-through chiller. Since 300 mesh let too much matter through for my liking, I went with 420-mesh and dramatically increased the surface area and shaped it such that the underside would never lay flat on the keggle and even when the top is buried in trub there would still be flow underneath. I also used a SS wire ‘frame’ inside it to prevent it from collapsing under the weight. Very simple design of mesh sewn with 304SS thread:
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Anyway… I still have ergonomic issues with my rig and have long been planning my next rig, a BIAB system. I have no experience with flat-bottomed kettle that include fittings and such, so I’m experiencing uncertainty regarding kettle filtration. I should probably add here, that since my main goal was to not plug my chiller and my secondary goal was less trub in the fermenter; I also had positioned my pump with the inlet just under the bottom of the keggle and above the CFC, added a thermometer to the output followed by a 3-way valve that fed either the recirculation port or the output to FV and used one of those big Tri-Clamp inline filters, post chiller:

With 58° groundwater and an approx 33’ CFC, if not whirl pooling hops, I can drop from boiling to pitching temp with my cold-water valve only 1/3 open and my kettle and pump valves open all the way. My ‘pillow-filter’ has no problem keeping up.

But finally to the point: I'm questioning wether I actually need a filter in my kettle. My next rig is based mainly on @Bobby_M 's BIAB package (https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/biabpackagepremium.htm ..which I would buy rather than build, but I'm dirt-poor and in Canada) I've intentionally tagged Bobby because I've read his many many posts on here and have the deepest respect for his scientifically and empirically solid designs and I can't help to have noticed he seems to have a dislike of such filters but still many satisfied award-winning users of his rigs.
I have a couple rolls of 400-mesh SS, some firm SS wire for a shape-sustaining frame, and some 304SS-thread to make my next filter, but I'm wondering if I should bother? Do we actually need filters in flat bottomed kettles?
:mug:

I agree, and I think my first step (because it’s free) is going to be a brew day without any filter at all. I expect it to significantly raise my brewhouse efficiency, since I won’t be leaving nearly any wort behind, and I made plenty good beer in the early days without a filter at all.

This time of the year in the northeast our ground water is close to yours, so I’m going straight from 200*+ kettle through the cfc and into the fermenter at around 67* F wort temp. I like brewing, but I don’t want it to take longer than it already does, so a quick BK to fermenter is fairly important to me.

I might find myself on team no-filter very soon
 
If you're going with using no hop filter, just add in that lost 1/2 gallon of wert in your recipe to cover the loss to trub. You probably already know that, but wanted to mention it just in case.
 
If you're going with using no hop filter, just add in that lost 1/2 gallon of wert in your recipe to cover the loss to trub. You probably already know that, but wanted to mention it just in case.

yeah, i basically do that now but as much as I know I should ignore it, repeatability is more important, etc., I find I chase BH efficiency a bit. I might try one of my house recipes without a filter since I have some filtered on tap at the moment and I can side by side compare them.
 
yeah, i basically do that now but as much as I know I should ignore it, repeatability is more important, etc., I find I chase BH efficiency a bit. I might try one of my house recipes without a filter since I have some filtered on tap at the moment and I can side by side compare them.
Will this be with or without a whirlpool/recirc port? As you're coming from the 'filter in the BK' camp (like me), I'll be watching here to see how this works out for you.....you're my guinea-pig..Thanks!
:mug:
 
Will this be with or without a whirlpool/recirc port? As you're coming from the 'filter in the BK' camp (like me), I'll be watching here to see how this works out for you.....you're my guinea-pig..Thanks!
:mug:

First go will be without. I know i'll drink it regardless and that's one less hole in the kettle for now :)
 
I have a hopstopper 2.0, whirlpool fitting, Spike pump, CFC, and an electric keggle with 2 drain valves. I whirlpool hops just fine on the drain without the hopstopper while going through the CFC. My CFC is the larger size all copper style, tall and compact. The wort piping is 1/2". I don't whirlpool at the end to make a cone of trub and hops. I can pretty much just gravity drain on the second drain port with the hopstopper but still use the pump on low flow. What happens sometimes is the top and sides got clogged on the hopstopper but the round bottom still seals at the edge of the circular bottom where it contacts the curved keggle bottom. I can lift the hopstopper and suck up a little more wort with the pump but gravity won't restart flow as easy as the pickup tube is horizonal then 90 degrees down.

But I wouldn't try recirculation with whole hops through the CFC and the drain without the hopstopper. Pellet hops no problem.
 
I think I’m on team no-filter. I’ve done two 10G batches now and with minimal recirc through the CFC I get very little trub. I’m happy with the results and I can fill two 5G fermenters in like 10-12 minutes with 68* wort. Much faster and less wort left behind in the BK

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Your answer is in the pictures. Let the trub collect in the jar for a couple minutes while you clean your kettle, then dump the trub out of the jar, replace and then pitch your yeast.

Edit: I see, not all your fermenters are conicals.
 

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