I took an idea from a podcast, the person wanted to know if he could drill hundreds of holes in a bucket and use that as a " brew bag". I took a bucket and drilled lots of holes in the bottom, when you set into another bucket it leaves abou 3 inches for your grain bag to drain. ThEn I used a pie pan to press the crap out of my grains. Worked really well! No mess and I was able to get most of the wort out of my grain.