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FatDragon

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My chili's so good I'm in danger of being ostracized from my social circle! I make it every few weeks because I can't stand to spend too much time away from it, but the aftermath of those beans is apocalyptic! I use dried beans and can never seem to degas them properly. I've tried Gas-X for dessert and it tends to do more harm than good. Does anybody have any tips and tricks for calming down those beans on the cooking side of things?
 
Change your soaking water several times. Also bring to a boil, then change the water one more time.
 
Change your soaking water several times. Also bring to a boil, then change the water one more time.

I've been bringing to a boil, soaking overnight, and then rinsing heavily. I'll have to try to find a way to get some water changes in there, maybe start soaking earlier so I can change the water once or twice before bed.

Beano tablets work for me most of the time. I like beans too but there's no room for them in real chili! :D

I might try Beano next time I'm stateside and can get a bottle. Gas-X makes me feel worse without doing it's stated job, but Beano's got a different active ingredient so maybe it'll function better.

I've never made beanless chili; tell me more... I like beans because they bulk up the chili cheaply and they taste good, but I would definitely consider excising the beans from the chili entirely if it could still be a delicous, easy, cheap bulk meal.
 
Chili needs beans. Nuf said.

I don't see how soaking is going to do anything. The source of the problem is complex carbohydrates in the beans that aren't getting broken down in the stomach acids and biota. The beans don't break down until they get into the intestines or colon, where the bacteria finally do reduce them, and gas is released, much like when we make beer. By then, it's a shorter path to yer butthole than your mouth. Toot.

Beano contains an enzyme that breaks down the carbs in your stomach. Your stomach doesn't contain this enzyme naturally.

Note that, just like the enzymes in our mash, the Beano enzymes can be denatured and made useless by cooking them. So, your best bet is to put the Beano into something that you're eating with the chili. Liquid beano is no longer available, so you'll have to be creative with the tablets. Or, just pop a tablet before you start eating.
 
Cool I just realized you're in China. I don't know if they have it in the states, probably. I'm in the Great White North so next time you're in Canada you can get here no problem. Gotta admit I do like beans in my chili but when I was competing in BBQ there was a chili cook off at one and I did a whack of research to enter. I came out with a lot of info; mostly that true chili is just meat and chili "gravy". Been awhile since I made it as I'm the only one to eat it but here is some info you may find useful to tweek you're own recipe. Not sure if you can get any of these mexican style chili's in China but sure you can make do.

View attachment Preparing%20Competition%20Chili.pdf
 
Chili needs beans. Nuf said.

I don't see how soaking is going to do anything. The source of the problem is complex carbohydrates in the beans that aren't getting broken down in the stomach acids and biota. The beans don't break down until they get into the intestines or colon, where the bacteria finally do reduce them, and gas is released, much like when we make beer. By then, it's a shorter path to yer butthole than your mouth. Toot.

Beano contains an enzyme that breaks down the carbs in your stomach. Your stomach doesn't contain this enzyme naturally.

Note that, just like the enzymes in our mash, the Beano enzymes can be denatured and made useless by cooking them. So, your best bet is to put the Beano into something that you're eating with the chili. Liquid beano is no longer available, so you'll have to be creative with the tablets. Or, just pop a tablet before you start eating.

Pop a pill and you're good. I believe the enzyme is Alpha or Beta Amylase as that helps convert the starches to sugars.
 
Pop a pill and you're good. I believe the enzyme is Alpha or Beta Amylase as that helps convert the starches to sugars.

It's actually alpha-Galactosidase and and another one that I can't remember. They work in series to turn the carbs to glucose.

The enzymes are definitely not amylase. I want to point this out because Beano is not suitable ever for beer fermentation. You can buy amylase enzymes at your LHBS if you have a stuck fermentation due to bad mash temperatures.
 
If Gas-X is Simethicone it apparently does nothing for *intestinal* gas, it's specifically for bubbly-overflowing-stomach issues. It helps break up the bubbles.

Beano helps prevent them from forming by converting certain starches into sugars. Brewing enzyme might be worth a shot if it's not available.

Once you get some, be warned. The bottle invites you to, rather than swallowing a tablet, chew it up.

IT'S A TRAP!
 
Chili needs beans. Nuf said.

I don't see how soaking is going to do anything. The source of the problem is complex carbohydrates in the beans that aren't getting broken down in the stomach acids and biota. The beans don't break down until they get into the intestines or colon, where the bacteria finally do reduce them, and gas is released, much like when we make beer. By then, it's a shorter path to yer butthole than your mouth. Toot.

Beano contains an enzyme that breaks down the carbs in your stomach. Your stomach doesn't contain this enzyme naturally.

Note that, just like the enzymes in our mash, the Beano enzymes can be denatured and made useless by cooking them. So, your best bet is to put the Beano into something that you're eating with the chili. Liquid beano is no longer available, so you'll have to be creative with the tablets. Or, just pop a tablet before you start eating.

I might need to take a better look at the bottle of Gas-X I've got - I've been taking it the morning after rather than with/immediately after the chili. Could be that it works the same as Beano but I've been doing it wrong...

Cool I just realized you're in China. I don't know if they have it in the states, probably. I'm in the Great White North so next time you're in Canada you can get here no problem. Gotta admit I do like beans in my chili but when I was competing in BBQ there was a chili cook off at one and I did a whack of research to enter. I came out with a lot of info; mostly that true chili is just meat and chili "gravy". Been awhile since I made it as I'm the only one to eat it but here is some info you may find useful to tweek you're own recipe. Not sure if you can get any of these mexican style chili's in China but sure you can make do.

I'll definitely check it out. Chili availability is an issue (I keep trying to grow my own Jalapenos but I have a brown thumb and live in an apartment), but I get creative with what's available here and tend to enjoy the results even if I can't exactly mimic recipes that use other peppers. I'm thinking if I make a beanless chili it'll cost more because of the larger proportion of meat, but it'll go further because I can eat it over rice and stuff, so with a little more effort of tossing some rice in the rice cooker every day, I can make a week's worth of food in one crock pot rather than just 3-4 days worth of chili with beans.
 
I might need to take a better look at the bottle of Gas-X I've got - I've been taking it the morning after rather than with/immediately after the chili. Could be that it works the same as Beano but I've been doing it wrong...

The guy above is correct. Gas-X is simethicone. I used to use Baby Gas-X (also simethicone) for antifoam for preventing boilovers (until I found fermcap-S, which is much much cheaper). It is totally different than Beano. Find Beano.

And add an avatar yo.
 
If Gas-X is Simethicone it apparently does nothing for *intestinal* gas, it's specifically for bubbly-overflowing-stomach issues. It helps break up the bubbles.

Beano helps prevent them from forming by converting certain starches into sugars. Brewing enzyme might be worth a shot if it's not available.

Once you get some, be warned. The bottle invites you to, rather than swallowing a tablet, chew it up.

IT'S A TRAP!

Ah, that's it, then. Looks like a bottle of Beano is on my US shopping list for the summer, if I don't cave in and buy a bottle on Taobao in the meantime.

@OkanaganMike - Looked through that PDF you attached, and I've gotta be honest: it's a serious buzzkill. The chili equivalent of "brew to style" with a single category. I'm certain that competitive chili cooks who follow that kind of advice make fantastic chili, but I prefer to get a bit more creative and madcap in the kitchen and I will not be chained! I'm almost definitely going to give a bean-free chili a go, but it'll be MY bean-free chili! This is chili anarchy, and I'm going down that road on MY terms, b$*%#es!

Really, though - among other things, the (suggested) restriction on meat is the biggest downer. You may have better peppers in North America, but Chinese-style stewed beef tripe is killer split 50/50 with some wind-dried beef belly cubed and wok-seared in its own fat. When the wifey suggested I toss in some 卤牛肚 with the seared belly, it instantly upped my chili game to a whole 'nother level!
 
Another way to help with the gas is to cook your beans with a tablespoon of dried epazote in the water, but I'm sure you don't have any Mexican stores in China so it doesn't help you much. Not sure if you can buy it online though.
 
Ah, that's it, then. Looks like a bottle of Beano is on my US shopping list for the summer, if I don't cave in and buy a bottle on Taobao in the meantime.

@OkanaganMike - Looked through that PDF you attached, and I've gotta be honest: it's a serious buzzkill. The chili equivalent of "brew to style" with a single category. I'm certain that competitive chili cooks who follow that kind of advice make fantastic chili, but I prefer to get a bit more creative and madcap in the kitchen and I will not be chained! I'm almost definitely going to give a bean-free chili a go, but it'll be MY bean-free chili! This is chili anarchy, and I'm going down that road on MY terms, b$*%#es!

Really, though - among other things, the (suggested) restriction on meat is the biggest downer. You may have better peppers in North America, but Chinese-style stewed beef tripe is killer split 50/50 with some wind-dried beef belly cubed and wok-seared in its own fat. When the wifey suggested I toss in some 卤牛肚 with the seared belly, it instantly upped my chili game to a whole 'nother level!

Hey wise guy, I don't know chinese or whatever them funny symbols are. Is that Chinese for cat? :p

The competition was garbage. At the end we could all sample the the contestants chili and mine was way better than the winner and runner up. I know I'm biased but it just was. Never entered a chili cook off again though so may have just been one bad day. Seriously though, you make your chili how you want. I use those recipes as a base and still throw extras in to extend it like celery, carrots, beans etc etc. Man you can make chili outta anything. Best cooking is cooking without a recipe or guidelines. :ban:
 
It's actually alpha-Galactosidase and and another one that I can't remember. They work in series to turn the carbs to glucose.

The enzymes are definitely not amylase. I want to point this out because Beano is not suitable ever for beer fermentation. You can buy amylase enzymes at your LHBS if you have a stuck fermentation due to bad mash temperatures.

May or may not work for beer but it works for corn. (So I hear ;) )
 
Got a line drawing of the prototype for my "Fat Dragon Brewing Co." logo sitting on a desk at home. Planning on scanning it and maybe colorizing it a bit in GIMP and then putting a dinky little shrunk-down version on here tonight, if I remember.

That did not resize well (it's not all that great to begin with, but shrinking from 3000px to 150px didn't work out all that favorably). Maybe stick with a white background to minimize the ugliness around the edges... Blue definitely wasn't working.

Hey wise guy, I don't know chinese or whatever them funny symbols are. Is that Chinese for cat? :p

The competition was garbage. At the end we could all sample the the contestants chili and mine was way better than the winner and runner up. I know I'm biased but it just was. Never entered a chili cook off again though so may have just been one bad day. Seriously though, you make your chili how you want. I use those recipes as a base and still throw extras in to extend it like celery, carrots, beans etc etc. Man you can make chili outta anything. Best cooking is cooking without a recipe or guidelines. :ban:

If I lived a few hundred kilometers further south, that might be a yes. Dog would have been a legitimate guess, though. I probably wouldn't use dog in a chili, though: costs more than goat and tastes almost identical. You probably think I'm joking, heh heh... Actually, that's the Chinese for the stewed beef tripe I was talking about: they do the same thing with many meats and other foods. I've never done it but with hard boiled eggs so I could be a bit off base with some of the particulars for doing it to meat, but basically you take a metric butt-ton of whole spices, simmer them together into a stock, and simmer big chunks of meat in it for a period of time, then I believe you hang the meat to cure a bit. Makes for some really tasty stuff.

Cooking without a recipe is my favorite, but I usually end up making things pretty much the same way each time.

For chili, it's half a kilo dried beans soaked overnight; three or four largish anaheim and/or sweet red peppers (usually with a couple smaller, spicier ones for a bit of kick) steamed and seared in a pan or wok and then blended to a chunky puree; quarter- to half-kilo of corn kernels; roughly one medium onion and three medium tomatoes, diced; quarter-kilo of wind-dried beef belly cubed and then seared in a wok over high heat in its own fat with a bit of salt; another quarter kilo of stewed beef tripe sliced in roughly 1x5cm strips and seared in the remaining fat; small mounds (probably a couple tablespoons) of cumin and chili powder, and about half that much salt. Now that I've got some bulk spices for making sausages, I'm starting to work other flavors in there as well - sage being my favorite so far but I'm also very hopeful for mustard seed and some others.

All the prep happens the night before; washing, cutting, cooking, blending; the beans soak in a pot and everything else finds its way into a big container in the fridge overnight (though it might be interesting to cook them overnight next time and add the beans in the morning, hmm...). In the morning, everybody goes into the ~3-4L crock pot (it's always a tight fit) with a couple bottles of beer filling in the gaps, maybe the grounds from my Aeropress coffee that morning if I think about it, and a bit more water to reach the top. Turn it to "slow cook", go to work, come home ten hours later to some killer beans 'n' meat.
 

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