I just bottled an IPA using both these hops in 10, 5 and a 4oz hop stand with a 4oz all Azzaca dry hop. Anyway cracked the first bottle and I'm surprised at how subtle the nose is, I was expecting the aroma to jump out of the bottle much in the way it does when I use citra, simcoe, Galaxy. Are these two hops just more subtle and delicate? I've never used them before but see the descriptions of them along the tropical, citrus style, so that's what I guess I was expecting. Oh used MO, flaked oats and flaked wheat for malts.